[E-trademarks] User verification suddenly required despite being securely logged into MyUSPTO

Thu Apr 18 19:56:30 EDT 2024

Some years ago I had a client whose car could be unlocked and started 
using a thumbprint.  This was a very very valuable car.

The client realized that what could happen next is getting held up and 
losing a thumb.

The client turned off the "thumb unlock" feature, or changed cars, or both.

On 4/18/2024 4:25 PM, Dale Quisenberry via E-trademarks wrote:
> Is it a concern of those who use these password managers that someone 
> could put a gun in your face and demand your phone and hold it to your 
> face to open it and access your passwords and thus everything 
> protected by those passwords presumably including access to financial 
> accounts?  Or is that not a risk?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dale
>
> C. Dale Quisenberry
> Quisenberry Law PLLC
> 832.680.1000
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 18, 2024, at 5:22 PM, Richard Schafer via E-trademarks 
>> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> There are lots of password managers out there; I’ve used Roboform for 
>> years.
>>
>> But at my previous law firm, the chief security officer had (and I 
>> think still has) a firm rule prohibiting the use of password manager 
>> software as unsafe because of the risk that someone might be able to 
>> break the password vault maintained by the software. I vigorously 
>> disagreed, citing NIST and others, but was unable to convince him. I 
>> don’t know how widespread that opinion is.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> *Richard A. Schafer | Schafer IP Law*
>> P.O. Box 230081 | Houston, TX 77223
>> M: 832.283.6564 | richard at schafer-ip.com <mailto:richard at schafer-ip.com>
>>
>> *From:*E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On 
>> Behalf Of *Thilo C. Agthe via E-trademarks
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2024 4:06 PM
>> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek 
>> legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
>> *Cc:* Thilo C. Agthe <thilo.agthe at wg-law.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] User verification suddenly required 
>> despite being securely logged into MyUSPTO
>>
>> I second 1Password.  I use the same.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Thilo
>>
>> WUERSCH &GERING
>>
>> Thilo C. Agthe, Partner
>>
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>> *From:*E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On 
>> Behalf Of *mrichter richtertrademarks.com via E-trademarks
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2024 1:26 PM
>> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek 
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>> *Cc:* mrichter richtertrademarks.com <mrichter at richtertrademarks.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] User verification suddenly required 
>> despite being securely logged into MyUSPTO
>>
>> *[CAUTION: EXTERNAL EMAIL]*
>>
>> Laura,
>>
>> I can recommend that you use a password keeper. I use 1Password and 
>> it has a function to show you previously used passwords – it is 
>> unbelievable how often I need it!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Miriam
>>
>> Miriam Richter, Attorney at Law, P.L.
>>
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>> *From:*E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On 
>> Behalf Of *Sam Castree via E-trademarks
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2024 7:01 PM
>> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek 
>> legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
>> *Cc:* Sam Castree <sam at castreelaw.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] User verification suddenly required 
>> despite being securely logged into MyUSPTO
>>
>> Ugh, I've been trying on and off for the past year and a half to get 
>> my MyUSPTO account updated to my current e-mail at my current firm.  
>> At least I can use the old e-mail to log in, so it hasn't stopped me 
>> from working, but it is ridiculous.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Sam Castree, III
>>
>> /Sam Castree Law, LLC/
>>
>> /3421 W. Elm St./
>>
>> /McHenry, IL 60050/
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>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 4:00 PM Laura Geyer via E-trademarks 
>> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>>
>>     ZOMG Gerry, I was caught in an endless verification loop where it
>>     made me do that I think 4 times  with the drivers’ license/face
>>     capture before I finally cracked and contacted ID.me.
>>
>>     But here’s the thing: if you’re in the Infinite Verification Loop
>>     with any agency, the hangup is often ID.me and then you can’t get
>>     into your account to log into Id.me to access their “faster”
>>     response team. In my case, they had decided that my account was
>>     connected with my prior work email, to which I have no access,
>>     obviously. No worries though, says the “help” page, just type in
>>     your old inaccessible email address with your old password. The
>>     chances that I’m going to remember a prior password, from a year
>>     ago, is .000002%.No worries, says the help page, just put in a
>>     few guesses – sorry, guys, the fact that we’re all forced to
>>     register 8FUN€beach§woohoo34# means that unless you write them
>>     all down you’re screwed. So there is no way to get in at ALL.
>>
>>     So you go to ID.me and fill out the “help”email, because you can
>>     only report that way, and they say “high volume but will get back
>>     to you within a week”. But … we have an 8&15 and the client
>>     finally surfaced and it’s due tomorrow!! So a friend suggested
>>     that I call the TM Assistance Center, and ask to talk w true TEAS
>>     "technical problems people" and plead for help. They have some
>>     kind of Big Red Phone to get in touch with ID.me and get you a
>>     response much sooner. Once I did that, I heard from ID.me a few
>>     hours later and the problem was solved by the next day. Not
>>     lickety-split, but much faster than the week a lot of people have
>>     to wait for ID.me.
>>
>>     Good luck!
>>
>>     Laura Talley Geyer (she/her)
>>
>>     Of Counsel
>>
>>     /ND Galli Law LLC/
>>
>>     1200 G Street, N.W., Ste 800
>>
>>     Washington, DC 20005
>>
>>     Tel: (202) 599-9019 (direct)
>>
>>     https://ndgallilaw.com/laura-geyer/
>>     <https://ndgallilaw.com/laura-geyer/>
>>
>>     *From:*E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
>>     Behalf Of *Gerry J. Elman via E-trademarks
>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2024 11:51 PM
>>     *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
>>     seek legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
>>     *Cc:* Gerry J. Elman <gerry at elman.com>; Kartik Kumar
>>     <Office at elman.com>
>>     *Subject:* [E-trademarks] User verification suddenly required
>>     despite being securely logged into MyUSPTO
>>
>>     *EXTERNAL EMAIL*
>>
>>     I have "sponsored" a remote paralegal to log into MyUSPTO for
>>     both trademark and patent matters.  Up to now that was working
>>     ok. But yesterday, after logging into MyUSPTO, he was stymied
>>     from accessing the page for a Section 8 trademark filing for a
>>     client I had asked him to start for me.
>>
>>     Instead he was presented with a screen demanding that he provide
>>     an additional form of "verification" via the ID.me
>>     <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fID.me&c=E,1,OaD2j1z59sUNAdOfdGsU2-fUozGx4Nw1einR6N3ou5cql64oOvktGThgdKamlQoiQVTWy4e_5cpjH6eLeeRu51_Zost0e5fy98y337mIDDeq&typo=1&ancr_add=1>
>>     platform, even though he was already securely logged into MyUSPTO
>>     with its own identity factor.  Several months ago I had
>>     successfully "sponsored" him as a paralegal working for me. See
>>     attached screenshot.
>>
>>     And I find that the ID.me
>>     <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fID.me&c=E,1,q230Rx-T3V4Xo_RLOkbGCi1lRaS1X94Car77y7dIDHE6pRlFZkpspg--rROVFoaNtdG7_Akk2n05Plf9U9sBwprQuZ_iIQXAShtDp3dy&typo=1&ancr_add=1>
>>     platform is skewed towards people located in the United States. 
>>     He is working for me from outside the border.
>>
>>     Has anyone else encountered this sudden impediment to ongoing
>>     trademark work?  I had no notice that this additional barrier was
>>     going to be erected.  Did I miss a notice from USPTO?  Has this
>>     requirement been vetted under the Paperwork Reduction Act?
>>
>>     Any advice as to whom to contact at USPTO?  The Trademark Help
>>     Desk wasn't able to provide help here.
>>
>>     -Gerry gerry at elman.com <mailto:gerry at elman.com>
>>
>>     Gerry J. Elman, Elman IP
>>
>>     6117 St James Pl, Denton, TX 76210
>>
>>     office ph. 610-892-9942    mobile 610-909-2468
>>
>>     -------- Original message --------
>>
>>     From: Gerry Elman <gjelman at live.com>
>>
>>     Date: 4/16/24 5:08 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>
>>     To: "Gerry J. Elman" <gerry at elman.com>
>>
>>     Subject: TM verification required
>>
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