[E-trademarks] Two issues

Mon Apr 22 10:13:59 EDT 2024

Yes, expungement proceedings are only the 3-10 window.  I think the idea behind the three years is that it mirrors the presumption of abandonment.  It’s available for Madrid and 44(e) based registrations, where initial use is not required registration, in addition to 1(a).

The re-exam proceeding, by contrast, allows you to show the mark was not in use at the time of filing (or time of SOU filing) even if the mark is currently in use.

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note that it has a weird time window—I think the registrations have to more than three years old but less than ten?

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Thank you both Kevin and Robert for directing me to the new expungement option.

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However, it's $400 to file per class.  I wish it were free!

There should be a hotline where we can report these kinds of trademark registration fraud.  UGH!

Best,

Nancy

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 02:18:54 PM EDT, Kevin Grierson <kgrierson at cm.law<mailto:kgrierson at cm.law>> wrote:

Sounds like a good candidate for one of the new proceedings under the TMA.  The reexamination proceeding in particular is geared towards marks that were not in use on or before a particular relevant date (such as the date of filing of the application or the date of the SOU).

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Subject: [E-trademarks] Two issues

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I was doing a knock out search this morning for a client.  I was shocked to see that the USPTO accepted two specimens which have significant issues:

1)  In the screenshots for YouTube videos that purport to support that there are multiple episodes of a show the videos are clearly marked as unlisted.  Unlisted videos are not technically publicly available on the platform.  Each of the videos had between 1 and 4 views.  Not hundreds, thousands or millions.  Single digits. How was that not clearly fake?  this was processed in 2020

2)  Another specimen is clearly a picture where the mark has been transposed on a generic journal.  Like a notebook you buy at the store.  I am shocked it was accepted.  this was processed in 2022.

In both instances I cannot find any evidence of actual use on the internet, or on YouTube years after the videos were purportedly uploaded.

Both marks are within the initial 5 year window.  Is my client's only option to cancel the marks?   Is there another option so that my client doesn't have to incur costs?  Also, couldn't the registrant start using the marks now once notified of the cancellation effort?

thanks in advance!  Hope to meet some of you at the INTA reception.

Best,

Nancy
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