[E-trademarks] TM Scam?

Tue Dec 3 19:06:16 UTC 2024

(As with many things) It’s different for trademarks than patents. It’s an online form that a client signs. You don’t need a separate form.

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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] TM Scam?

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At the risk of making some ignorant sounding noises ..  is there a form for PoA other than the ones I've seen for prosecuting patent applications?

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On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 10:43 AM Annette Heller via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>> wrote:
Since attorneys can sign applications, 8&15 and renewals on the client behalf, then it is very easy for an attorney to file and pay for a renewal if the intent is to hi-jack the trademark for Amazon use.

Annette

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In a message dated 12/3/2024 12:39:20 PM Central Standard Time, e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> writes:

Hard to see how this is in any way a gift to the client.  Unless the client is mistaken and someone with authority at the client authorized the filing, the filing was not made or signed by the client or an authorized representative of the client, but was signed by someone purporting to represent the client.  I don’t think that filing can be authorized after the fact.

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I am not sure about the State Bar complaint until you know more and until after the holiday season.  One mystery is why some random attorney would  pay the renewal fee. That is a gift to your client. You might check for other trademarks at the Patent and Trademark Office for which the attorney represents the owner.

100% agree on the power of attorney filing.

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On 12/3/2024 10:02 AM, Eric Morton via E-trademarks wrote:

Is this attorney real?  I’d check the attorney’s bar number and look up the attorney with the state bar.  A complaint with that attorney’s state bar is in order.

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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] TM Scam?

Mark,

 I'd consider filing a power of attorney ASAP. This is probably not the case -- I don't want to assume attorney malfeasance -- but it's not impossible.

 What I'd be worried about is some kind of Amazon / brand-ownership hijacking. Assuming you didn't have a filed power of attorney, the USPTO stopped recognizing you as the attorney upon registration (or completion of earlier maintenance filing) under 37 C.F.R. §2.17(g). Then, once this new attorney files the renewal, the new attorney is recognized under 37 C.F.R. §2.17(b)(1), right? And that attorney will get any kind of emails from Amazon, or Walmart, or whoever now uses that method of verifying brand ownership, under 37 C.F.R. §2.18.

 I just don't see another point for paying the client's USPTO fees when you are not going to be reimbursed. And the "we're on vacation and not responding" might just be a dodge.

 Sincerely,

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On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 10:41 AM Mark Kaufman via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>> wrote:

Oh great and powerful Brain Trust:

We wrote to a client to renew a registration (due in a year, but inspired by the upcoming increase in PTO fees).  Client said they’d send payment.  Before we renewed, another U.S. attorney had filed and paid the fee for renewal.  Disappointed, I wrote to the client.  Client said that they didn’t know who the new attorney was, and that client had mailed me a check to do the work.   An email to the new attorney semi-bounces back with the following message:

XYZ Law Firm will be away on vacation for the 2024-2025 holiday season. Afterward [the firm] will begin the winding up process. If you have any questions this email will be monitored sparingly but questions will be addressed in time. [The Firm’s] Intellectual Property web services have been faulty since 9/4/2024. If assistance is needed concerning a prior response please call.

I’m not sure if the “2024-2025 holiday season” means the entire month of December.  A phone call to new attorney’s cell phone doesn’t answer, and “mailbox is full.”  I’ve sent a text message, but am not optimistic about getting a response.

So:  I guess I’ll send the foregoing to TMscam at uspto.gov<mailto:TMscam at uspto.gov> and, if anyone thinks it’s advisable, to the Post Registration Department.  But the curious thing about this hijacking is that the new, unauthorized “law firm”, in the process of taking over the registration, paid the filing fee.  Maybe they intend to assign the registration to some other scammer…

I welcome your thoughts and suggestions.

Thanks,

Mark

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