[E-trademarks] CAFC handed down its opinion in In re Chestek today.

Fri Feb 16 09:34:10 EST 2024

I pledge $3000 and an amicus brief.  I will contact Brad Forrest who may be
able to route this through AIPLA (it'd be more effective to have this
coming from AIPLA than from just plain old me or from PTAAARMIGAN).  If
AIPLA doesn't bite, I'll file another as plain old me.

On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 9:31 AM Pamela Chestek via E-trademarks <
e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:

> Heather is right. I spent six figures on the appeal and I received two
> donations (thank you so much to those who donated).
>
> I can't afford to take this any further; I have a small practice. I don't
> have a good estimate yet for the cost for a petition for rehearing, but
> ballpark is $30K.
>
> But it's more than that. Reviews are rarely granted and to increase the
> likelihood of success we need amici. I think that the IP organizations
> (INTA, AIPLA, IPO, ABA) should be alarmed by the unchecked rulemaking power
> of the USPTO, which doesn't apply just to trademarks, but patents too.
> Other organizations should be alarmed by the fact that the PTO has zero
> concern for vulnerable populations, privacy in general, or computer
> security. Through eliding by the PTO, the board also misunderstood that
> other countries do NOT require address information and seemed to weigh that
> incorrect fact fairly heavily, so we need someone to correct that
> misunderstanding. I understand that the amici lift is fairly light though,
> limited to 2600 words.
>
> I can't afford, in money, time or contacts, to do it by myself anymore. I
> also have to decide fairly soon whether to petition for rehearing so my
> lawyer will have time to brief it.
>
> Pam
>
> Pamela S. Chestek
> Chestek Legal
> 300 Fayetteville St.
> Unit 2402
> Raleigh, NC 27602
> +1 919-800-8033
> pamela at chesteklegal.com
> www.chesteklegal.com
>
>
>
> On 2/16/2024 7:28 AM, Heather Vargas via E-trademarks wrote:
>
> My recollection is that when Pam decided to do this, a bunch of us piped
> up and said we would contribute, but it sounds like we did not follow
> through.  I would submit that rather than general statements of support, we
> either “pledge” a specific amount that Pam or her proxy can come ask us to
> fulfill, or we set up a fund and Pam can decide when day zero to file the
> motion hits, if we put our money where our mouths are.  I am sorry that I
> cannot personally coordinate this; I am almost a year into covering my
> practice plus my partner’s who has been on medical leave for the better
> part of a year, but I will pledge or contribute if one of these things
> happens.
>
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com>
> <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf Of *Carl Oppedahl
> via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2024 11:27 AM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
> legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Carl Oppedahl <carl at oppedahl.com> <carl at oppedahl.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] CAFC handed down its opinion in In re
> Chestek today.
>
>
>
> The appeal effort up until now had cost the applicant/appellant really a
> lot of money, many tens of thousands of dollars.  I am aware of at least
> one member of the listserv who contributed a bit of money toward that cost.
>
> Yes, an *en banc *request might be worth pursuing.  This would cost some
> tens of thousands of dollars in addition to the costs already incurred.
>
> I wonder whether the trademark community would be willing to pony up the
> cost of the *en banc *request?  Possible approaches could include setting
> up a gofundme (which would incur fees to the provider of the gofundme
> service) or perhaps a listserv member serving as the collection point for
> contributions.  I imagine there any of a number of listserv members who
> could be trusted to provide that service and would not ask for any fee for
> that service.
>
> Carl
>
> On 2/15/2024 8:57 AM, John L. Welch via E-trademarks wrote:
>
> Maybe a request for *en banc* reconsideration would be worth pursuing?
>
>
>
> JLW
>
>
>
> *From:* Erikson, Daan <Daan.Erikson at huschblackwell.com>
> <Daan.Erikson at huschblackwell.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2024 9:25 AM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
> legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Welch, John L. <John.Welch at WolfGreenfield.com>
> <John.Welch at WolfGreenfield.com>
> *Subject:* RE: CAFC handed down its opinion in In re Chestek today.
>
>
>
> I have read this decision and am curious what others think of the
> reasoning.  I find the last part of the decision (page 13) particularly
> perplexing.  Isn’t it circular to say that an agency doesn’t have to
> prepare for every eventuality, especially when there is nothing in the
> record about privacy concerns, when there wasn’t a reason for people to be
> concerned about privacy during the notice and comment period?  And anyway
> how is this change not a substantive rule that affects individual rights
> and obligations when it affects individuals’ privacy rights?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
> Of *John L. Welch via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:34 AM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
> legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* John L. Welch <John.Welch at WolfGreenfield.com>
> *Subject:* [E-trademarks] CAFC handed down its opinion in In re Chestek
> today.
>
>
>
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> The “where do you sleep at night” case.
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>
> Pdf attached
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>
>
> JLW
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