[E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming soon

Tue Jul 9 22:22:10 EDT 2024

Just tried out the new beta system. As a paralegal, it is atrocious in my
opinion. First of all, it does appear to cater to novice filers which is
totally counter to the requirement that all applications be handled by US
attorneys. IT requires you to manually go through multiple screens and opt
out of extra statements instead of just allowing you to opt in to extra
stuff if you might need (translations, geographic significance,
disclaimers, etc). It is not easy to tab through and add prefilled
information from your browser's memory like it does currently.

In the attorney's section if you try to import the data of the account to
save some labor and you are a paralegal, it will fill in the paralegal's
information so that feature is basically useless for anybody other than
attorneys preparing trademark applications. I don't see that you can copy
drafts and replicate for a new filing like you can in the assignment center
so there does not appear to be ways to set up templates to avoid having to
fill in repetitive information.

The worst part in my opinion is the section where you select TEAS PLUS ID
of goods/services it basically has the options in a tiny scrolling screen
with 10 or so options and makes you click next to find your selection
instead of being to browse a large selection of options and click
checkboxes for the applicable ones.

Not having the obj. file save option is also unforgiveable given that it
appears the links will only be valid for 60 days.

Any USPTO lurkers here, please do not force us to use Beta. The current
TEAS system layout and functionality is far superior to this system. There
are a few things that would actually improve our experience such as being
able to set up templates for frequent clients and have it auto-fill in the
attorney information and all of these things I think could be implemented
easily without having to revamp the entire platform. None of these
improvements were included, and the functionality is vastly worse.

Also, as an active Patent Center user I can attest to what a disaster it
has been and don't have high hopes for this Beta system getting any better.
I really hope this system doesn't replace the old one anytime soon.

Trademark Paralegal

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 8:37 PM Alex Butterman via E-trademarks <
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> I saw that feature in the trial, but it was not operational for us.
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> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
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> *Sent:* Thursday, July 4, 2024 3:31 PM
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> Paul—
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> Do you know if the drafts of people you “sponsor”  (i.e., your staff) are
> also available at your account?  If so—sounds like an improvement.  If not,
> sounds even less useful?
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> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Paul Supnik via E-trademarks
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> *Cc:* Paul Supnik <paul at supnik.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming soon
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> Actually, the lack of being able to save an .obj file is not an issue with
> the Trademark Center Beta.  If you go to the Trademark Center home page,
> there are 4 tabs at the top.  The third tab is “Drafts and docket” where
> you can find your applications where you left off.  Frankly, it is a lot
> easier than saving a download of the .obj file (and remembering always to
> do so) and then trying to find the downloaded .obj file you saved.
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> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Alex Butterman via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2024 1:37 PM
> *To:* Montgomery, Alexander P. <amontgomery at hinckleyallen.com>; For
> trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <
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> *Cc:* Alex Butterman <abutterman at dbllawyers.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming soon
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> That is correct, at least how we tested it. They did have our attorney and
> law firm information saved for easy reproduction in a new application and I
> thought they might be permitting templates to be set up but I didn’t
> experience that with the beta test.
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> Actually, when I first got into the beta test, the form was limited to
> just preparing an ITU TEAS+ equivalent (needing to use ID Manual IDs). They
> expanded the application options later on to include 1a and Section 44
> applications but, like Miriam, I was already frustrated with the slowness
> of the application, needing to read through a lot of explanatory material,
> combined with the inability to save and retrieve a draft application so I
> never tested the more capable forms.
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> I did a 1:1 telephone focus group call with the later version of the form
> and that allowed the explanatory material to be hidden but the form was
> still spread out across a lot of screens. The print was very large too so I
> guess it could be targeted to more senior people. I’m not recalling other
> aspects of the process that stood out to me.
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> *From:* Montgomery, Alexander P. <amontgomery at hinckleyallen.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2024 4:07 PM
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> *Cc:* Alex Butterman <abutterman at dbllawyers.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming soon
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> Do you mean there’s no option to save an .obj file? If so, that’s a huge
> oversight and massive inconvenience.
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> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Alex Butterman via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2024 4:01 PM
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> *Cc:* Alex Butterman <abutterman at dbllawyers.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming soon
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> I volunteered to be a beta tester of it. As I recall, I was not very
> impressed with it as a practitioner because the new application form seemed
> targeted to non-attorneys with too much explanatory material and pretty
> much only one section per screen. The biggest drawback that stopped me from
> using it was that there is no option to save the data one inputs and go
> back to it later or to have a paralegal draft the application and share the
> draft with me. .
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> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2024 4:27 AM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
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> *Cc:* Carl Oppedahl <carl at oppedahl.com>
> *Subject:* [EXT] Re: [E-trademarks] Trademark Center is coming soon
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> Oh and by the way, maybe I missed it, but I do not recall having seen even
> a hint or suggestion of the Commissioner asking the membership of our
> listserv what, if anything, we think is broken in TEAS that needs to be
> fixed in this new TC, nor do I recall having seen even a hint or suggestion
> of the Commissioner asking the membership of our listserv what new
> features, if any, we wished to see added in this new TC.
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> See
> https://blog.oppedahl.com/commissioner-for-trademarks-responds-to-the-fifty-four-trademark-practitioners/
> in which Fifty-Four Trademark Practitioners wrote to Commissioner Gooder on
> August 7, 2021 asking for some improvements in TEAS, particularly in the
> area of character-count limitations in various fields.  In October of 2021,
> Commissioner Gooder promised that we would get all of our "asks" from that
> letter.  When the beta version gets released, I am confident it will turn
> out that Commissioner Gooder will have kept that promise.
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> On 6/20/2024 1:43 AM, Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks wrote:
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> Here is what popped up just now as I tried to prepare a new US trademark
> application:
>
> Trademark Center is coming soon
> We’ve been working on Trademark Center, a new system designed to improve
> your filing experience. This summer, you’ll be able to use the beta version
> of Trademark Center to apply to register your trademark.
>
> You’ll have the option to apply to register your trademark in either
> Trademark Center or the Trademark Electronic Application System (TEAS) for
> six months. The cost to file remains the same in both systems.
>
> Given the disasters of Patent Center and Assignment Center, I feel that I
> can predict with very high confidence that this new "Trademark Center" will
> likewise be a disaster.
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