[E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta
Carl Oppedahl
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Fri Nov 22 21:27:58 UTC 2024
Thank you for posting.
On 11/22/2024 2:17 PM, Ken Boone via E-trademarks wrote:
> If it helps, the two searches below suggest that 400,962/511,679 =
> *78.362%* of TEAS filings for calendar year 2024 have an attorney of
> record entry (where, in theory, pro se applicants do not include an
> attorney of record in their TEAS applications).
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> 511,679 results for FD:[20240101 TO 20241231] AND SN:98*
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> 400,962 results for FD:[20240101 TO 20241231] AND SN:98* AND AT:*
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> *Cc:* Crane, Susan <susan.crane at wyndham.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta
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> I found an article in the Trademark Reporter with statistics up
> through 2019 that showed appx. 75% filed by an attorney.
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> Behalf Of *Janice Housey via E-trademarks
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> *Cc:* Janice Housey <jhousey at litmuslaw.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta
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> Pam— If I read your email correctly you are saying that 15% of
> applications are filed at the USPTO by trademark attorneys? This seems
> widely inaccurate. I am sure like many on this list when I am
> analyzing a mark cited as a 2(d) and/or one raised
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> Pam—
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> If I read your email correctly you are saying that 15% of applications
> are filed at the USPTO by trademark attorneys? This seems widely
> inaccurate. I am sure like many on this list when I am analyzing a
> mark cited as a 2(d) and/or one raised in a search-- I look to see
> who filed the application etc. as part of my analysis. While this is
> not a scientific method, I would say that it is more like 85% of
> applications and registrations I need to look at in more depth are
> filed by a trademark practitioner. Of course, under current rules ANY
> application (or maintenance document) filed on behalf of a non-U.S.
> owner, must be filed by a U.S. attorney. That alone would seem to
> raise the numbers. What are others seeing in terms of likely
> percentage of applications filed by IP attorneys?
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> *Cc:* Kevin Grierson <kgrierson at cm.law>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta
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> That’s an interesting insight, thanks. I’d be really curious to see
> a demographic breakdown of filers, if such a thing exists.
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> I asked a trademark examining attorney one time what their estimate
> was on the number of applications they process that are from
> experienced trademark attorneys, rather than pro se or the passing
> lawyer who does applications as part of their general practice. Their
> estimate was 15%. We are a very small part of the user base and they
> won't be optimizing for us.
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> On 11/22/2024 8:40 AM, Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks wrote:
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> I’m all for making the USPTO as accessible as possible. But
> making the trademark filing center mobile-friendly to the
> detriment of the majority of the user base doesn’t seem like a
> particularly sensible approach. They could, for example, have
> created an app for mobile users, or they could have created
> separate versions of the website for mobile devices and desktops.
> They could even have created two separate filing paths, one with
> more explicit steps and instructions (and more screens) for pro se
> filers and another for regular filers that more closely resembles
> what we have in TEAS now.
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> And I have to wonder what percent of filers fall into the category
> you describe. I don’t imagine many people who live on less than
> $30K and have no internet access other than their phones are going
> to be willing or able to pay $350 or more for a trademark
> application, and unlike the patent side of the PTO, there’s no
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> I suspect that this feature is not, in fact, intended for
> trademark attorneys, but for the 15% of U.S. adults who are
> smartphone-only internet users - who have a smartphone, but do not
> have home internet access. This is seen most commonly in adults
> with an annual income of $30,000 or less.
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> Seems like it would be nice if they could file a trademark
> application too, even if they don't have access to a computer, yes?
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> Maybe I’m just a dinosaur, but are any of you preparing
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