[E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Christopher H Stevens

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Dear Craig:

In point of fact “lurker” is comparatively “ancient” term for people who read but don’t post. I’ve been part of listservs and then online forums since the very earliest days that these things existed. It’s rare but I’ve definitely been a lurker, self-described, on this or  that forum or listserv if I was interested in the discussions but could not participate for one reason or another.

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I’m so old!
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Since I was the one who "opened this can of worms" here, I will respond. I did separately acknowledge to Susan that her point was taken, i.e., that "lurkers" apparently is internet slang for forum watchers who read but do not respond to posts. All I can say is the oft-quoted line that "Perception is reality." My being totally unfamiliar with that use of the term "lurker" simply rubbed me the wrong way. While I appreciate that it is not meant to be disrespectful, that is how it comes across to me (again, acknowledging that may very well be because of my unfamiliarity with that use of the term).

As I tried to make clear in my post, this was simply my "gut" reaction, But with that said, I would be somewhat surprised (although could be 100% incorrect) that no one else seeing the continued use of that wording finds it to be off-putting. If I alone have that perception, then I do apologize. Nonetheless, I stand behind the broader tenor of my post.

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 10:32 AM Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>> wrote:
Susan’s right.  “Lurkers” isn’t intended to be disrespectful—in fact, members of this list are generally very supportive of the USPTO employees who monitor this list but can’t post, and we frequently see members posting to thank a lurker who reached out to them directly or had someone else do so in response to a query posted to the list.

The primary ire of this list is generally directed toward the folks who are programming the USPTO’s systems and (less often) examiners who issue office actions that make no sense or are just plain wrong.  And in that regard I certainly do agree that we should consider that those we are criticizing might actually be paying attention to the list.  I will say that I don’t think I’ve ever heard an examiner called out by name, or really, anyone besides perhaps the Director or the Commissioner for Trademarks (who frankly are at a position of authority where they need thick skin).

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Craig,

While I may agree with your comments about tone and decorum, the term “lurker” is common internet slang for people who read but do not post. I do not think it was intended to be cute or that anything derogatory was meant by it. We all know they are prohibited from posting.  It’s just what they are called.

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On Feb 11, 2025, at 6:19 AM, Craig Morris via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>> wrote:

Carl, if I may make a suggestion: having spent 40 years of my career at the USPTO until my retirement a few years ago, I know that there has to be a more fitting reference to those attempting to keep up with, even if informally, your group's
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Carl, if I may make a suggestion: having spent 40 years of my career at the USPTO until my retirement a few years ago, I know that there has to be a more fitting reference to those attempting to keep up with, even if informally, your group's postings as "lurkers." I'm sure that its use when first started seemed somehow "cute"---but my reaction each time I see this is that it simply isn't.

I know the long history of the relationship between your ListServe and the USPTO and the USPTO's position that the ListServe should not be viewed as any sort of formal mechanism to provide feedback to the USPTO (and hence, yes, the "behind-the-scenes" only standpoint that helped with the apparent derivation of the "lurkers." terminology).

I do recognize now that I am routinely on your ListServe (I never was while at the USPTO) that it is, indeed, an excellent source of information. In fact, I have reached out to one of my closest former USPTO colleagues and made a direct suggestion that, gee.someone really should be monitoring this ListServe on a routine basis because many of the posts are very useful. And, in fact, yes, some folks apparently are even though not permitted to then reply to any posts directly through the ListServe channel.

With that said, since you all know USPTO are reading these posts, I will take this even one step further than just use of the term "lurkers." Without question, I understand that many USPTO actions (or lack thereof) are sources of tremendous frustration for the private bar. I get that---and it is not as if now that I am outside of the USPTO that this is some sort of "awakening." But Carl, the tone of so many of the ListServe group posts is basically that the USPTO staff are idiots. Yes, I am making a generalization, but having now been reading the posts on a daily basis I know how often that is the case. Again, I understand that frustration---and the email mechanism in and of itself---makes it so convenient to "trash talk." But a reminder that the purpose of many of the emails is to ask/hope that the USPTO will do something, As such, setting the groundwork through a tone that is, in my opinion, often demeaning just isn't the best way to do so.

I say "in my opinion," Carl, because that is all this rambling is---my opinion only and NOT being written at the "request" of any current USPTO employees. But these are PEOPLE reading these emails. Having dedicated 40 years to the service of the USPTO, my allegiance will always be with my former colleagues---and many of them personal friends---who continue to carry on some of my work. Do I now always agree with a certain direction being taken? No, I don't. But what I do agree on, and always will, is that everyone deserves to be treated with respect.

For your consideration.

Sincerely,

Craig K. Morris

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 5:03 AM Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>> wrote:

I would hope that our lurkers from the Trademark Office (we have at least twelve lurkers) are surely paying attention to these things.  Please?
On 2/11/2025 12:58 AM, Alex Butterman via E-trademarks wrote:
On a related note, wasn’t there someone on this list who a few weeks ago listed a bunch of attorneys that are of record in the USPTO on like 2,000 applications in one year for mostly Chinese filers? Or maybe there was some WTR article or the like about that which someone cited to?

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But if he was listed as the attorney of record we could find those applications, and there aren’t any. At least not yet.

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On Feb 10, 2025, at 9:06 PM, carla calcagno <cccalcagno at gmail.com<mailto:cccalcagno at gmail.com>> wrote:

This looks like the fraudulent signature issue. Mr Stevens is not involved with the group and unbeknown to him they are using his name and contact information. Assuming they are also signing at the USPTO in his name the organization who is filing
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This looks like the fraudulent signature issue.  Mr Stevens is not involved with the group and unbeknown to him they are using his name and contact information. Assuming they are also signing at the USPTO in his name the  organization who is filing surely could be sanctioned.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 6:43 PM Bosland Law <office at bosland.law<mailto:office at bosland.law>> wrote:
This slide deck suggests that you are right that there is little that they could do (see the last two slides).   They suggest FTC/FBI/FCC and local AG..

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If they haven’t actually filed in his name, not sure what the PTO can do. Who would they discipline?

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Thanks Susan. Assuming this is the case, does anyone know who to contact at USPTO to report the group trademark. info who is misusing his name? Would you recommend the Solicitor's Office or Office of Enrollment and Discipline for example
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They are probably “borrowing” his name.  There is an attorney in California named Christopher H. Stevens, but he does not appear to be an IP attorney.

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Subject: [E-trademarks] Christopher H Stevens

One of my clients has been getting repeated letters allegedly from this person of "trademark-info" seeking to obtain trademark prosecution business. The client has asked him to stop contacting them, but he persists. I can't find
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One of my clients has been getting repeated letters allegedly from this person of "trademark-info" seeking to obtain trademark prosecution business. The client has asked him to stop contacting them, but he persists. I can't find any trademark registrations under his name at the USPTO.

Has anyone received letters from him before?
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