[E-trademarks] Trademark Search Vs TSDR Live/Dead Mismatches - 65 Older Dead Registrations Via SA:( "cancelled - restored to pendency" )
Carl Oppedahl
carl at oppedahl.com
Tue Jan 14 08:47:59 UTC 2025
Thank you Ken for posting. This is very helpful.
On 1/13/2025 4:20 PM, Ken Boone via E-trademarks wrote:
> This past weekend, I resolved (at least to my satisfaction) the *SA -
> Status* search for *_65 dead trademarks_* in the 81 series that appear
> (in error) as live registrations on Trademark Search, a search puzzle
> simply because Trademark Search does NOT display the text of the SA -
> Status field. With pit bull persistence, I found that the search
> *SA:( "cancelled - restored to pendency" ) *retrieves those 65
> trademarks, all live registrations on Trademark Search but having the
> status */registration cancelled as inadvertently issued/* on TSDR. Of
> the two status text strings, only the term */cancelled/* is common to
> both Trademark Search and TSDR, but it is somewhat reassuring that the
> search *SA:( "cancelled - restored to pendency" )* retrieves exactly
> the 65 live/dead mismatches and no other trademarks.
>
> I reported these 65 live/dead mismatches at least as early as 23
> September 2023 (478 days ago) during the Beta testing of the
> replacement system for TESS that is now known as Trademark Search.
>
> In October 2023, the following message appeared on the USPTO website.
> /info/
> /We’re aware that in a small number of cases, the status shown in the
> new Trademark Search differs from the Trademark Status and Document
> Retrieval (TSDR) system. This is because we’re maintaining a legacy
> system, Trademark Reporting And Monitoring (TRAM), as well as an
> updated one, and the issue will resolve when we retire TRAM next year.
> Please use TSDR to verify status in the meantime./
> Yet those 65 trademarks continue to appear as live registrations on
> Trademark Search today. Maybe the /legacy/ TRAM is resisting retirement?
>
> The drawing for 81234899 is particularly relevant. It appears to be a
> scan of the registration certificate of the Bound Volumes, except the
> INADVERTENTLY ISSUED REGISTRATION stamp across the drawing likely
> appears in *RED INK* in the Bound Volumes (though I'm not on the USPTO
> campus to check, assuming the Bound Volumes still exist).
>
> Trademark image
>
> Of course, the SA - status text *cancelled - restored to pendency *is
> inaccurate. If these registrations really were restored to pendency,
> the registration numbers (and registration dates) would have been
> removed from the electronic records.
>
> Meanwhile, TSDR still show no correspondence for these 65 dead
> registrations - that if they were still pending applications in the
> 1980s, they would have long been declared dead for lack of maintenance.
>
> My 23 September 2023 email includes another error reported, namely
>
> But here's an unexpected twist in my analyses: *Using the multi-search
> feature of TSDR (max 25 records at a time), the TSDR summary list
> shows these trademarks _live registrations_.* Huh? So then I toggle
> to the individual TSDR display screen for a few of these records see
> the status
>
> *Registration cancelled as inadvertently issued.*
>
> which is the actual status that I anticipated. *So why did the TSDR
> multi-search summary screen show these 65 trademark records as live?
> * (Yes, some have drawings, but many are missing the filing date.)
> By my checks today, that *multi-search feature of TSDR* error still
> occurs - that when searching these 65 live/dead mismatches using
> TSDR's multi-search feature, the summary listing still show these dead
> registrations as live. Hmmm.
>
> The other error in the PS section - that Trademark Search retrieved 73
> trademarks when searching the 65 serial numbers with the SN: field tag
> - was presumably a syntax error for not including ( ) parentheses for
> that search (where the parentheses were unnecessary on TESS. That is,
> the search *SN:( 81029001 81046286 81068511 81119026 81135345 81141270
> 81142298 81144258 81148938 81148965 81153874 81157696 81161075
> 81162511 81169788 81172990 81182785 81190021 81191287 81201612
> 81202177 81209948 81213150 81217396 81218266 81221500 81225989
> 81226495 81231106 81231573 81234898 81234899 81234913 81236269
> 81238786 81239826 81242794 81242795 81242796 81242797 81242798
> 81242799 81245286 81245554 81245788 81246567 81247129 81248082
> 81248913 81248914 81251116 81254327 81256798 81261057 81261352
> 81265167 81268153 81274276 81276980 81284569 81286541 81288543
> 81297076 81299540 81337716 )* retrieves exact 65 trademarks, the same
> 65 trademarks as the *SA:( "cancelled - restored to pendency"
> )* search. I guess that was my search error, except no one from the
> USPTO bothered to reply with the proper search syntax with parentheses
> for Trademark Search for a list of serial numbers.
>
> Happy Trademarking,
> Ken Boone
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> on
> behalf of Ken Boone via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 23, 2023 12:05 PM
> *To:* E-Trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Ken Boone <boondogles at hotmail.com>; TMFeedback
> <tmfeedback at uspto.gov>
> *Subject:* [E-trademarks-L] More TESS Classic Versus TESS Beta
> Inconsistencies (Plus A TSDR Multi-Search Hiccup)
> Below, I recorded the counts of live records for each series (first 2
> digits of the serial numbers) for TESS Classic versus TESS Beta. All
> searches were performed today.
>
> TESS Classic
>
> Hits
>
> TESS Beta
>
> Hits
>
> Match
>
> Diff
> `SN >= 70000000 < 71000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 60
>
> LD:true AND SN: 70*
>
> 60
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 71000000 < 72000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 7,202
>
> LD:true AND SN: 71*
>
> 7,202
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 72000000 < 73000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 18,002
>
> LD:true AND SN: 72*
>
> 18,002
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 73000000 < 74000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 57,645
>
> LD:true AND SN: 73*
>
> 57,645
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 74000000 < 75000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 64,207
>
> LD:true AND SN: 74*
>
> 64,207
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 75000000 < 76000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 87,527
>
> LD:true AND SN: 75*
>
> 87,527
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 76000000 < 77000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 118,018
>
> LD:true AND SN: 76*
>
> 118,018
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 77000000 < 78000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 168,907
>
> LD:true AND SN: 77*
>
> 168,907
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 78000000 < 79000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 140,911
>
> LD:true AND SN: 78*
>
> 140,911
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 79000000 < 80000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 208,815
>
> LD:true AND SN: 79*
>
> 208,816
>
> No
>
> 1
> `SN >= 80000000 < 81000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 2
>
> LD:true AND SN: 80*
>
> 2
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 81000000 < 82000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 14
>
> LD:true AND SN: 81*
>
> 79
>
> No
>
> 65
> `SN >= 85000000 < 86000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 223,813
>
> LD:true AND SN: 85*
>
> 223,813
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 86000000 < 87000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 314,386
>
> LD:true AND SN: 86*
>
> 314,386
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 87000000 < 88000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 540,112
>
> LD:true AND SN: 87*
>
> 540,111
>
> No
>
> 1
> `SN >= 88000000 < 89000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 563,439
>
> LD:true AND SN: 88*
>
> 563,438
>
> No
>
> 1
> `SN >= 89000000 < 90000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 3,000
>
> LD:true AND SN: 89*
>
> 3,000
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 90000000 < 91000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 613,207
>
> LD:true AND SN: 90*
>
> 613,202
>
> No
>
> 5
> `SN >= 97000000 < 98000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 789,763
>
> LD:true AND SN: 97*
>
> 789,763
>
> Yes
>
> -
> `SN >= 98000000 < 99000000 not dead[ld]
>
> 183,295
>
> LD:true AND SN: 98*
>
> 183,498
>
> No
>
> 203
> Total Mismatches
>
> 276
>
>
> For TESS Classic, I was able to construct the searches in a
> spreadsheet, copy/paste all the searches to the search screen (to
> perform all the searches at one time), then copy/paste the session
> summary back to my spreadsheet, making that portion of the above
> summary table simple. That is, I recommend that TESS Beta include
> both a multi-search option (e.g., separate multiple searches by
> semicolons like in TESS Classic) and generate a session summary with
> the searches and hit counts that searchers can copy/paste to emails or
> spreadsheet as records of the searches and search results.
>
> The *Diff* column (far right column) is just the absolute value of the
> differences between search results for the two search systems,
> Obviously, this is just the MINIMUM number of mismatches for live
> trademarks between the two systems per series.
>
> Since the hit counts for the 81 series are low, I went to the trouble
> to identify the 65 live records that appear on TESS Beta but are *_not
> live_* on TESS Classic, namely
>
> *81029001 81046286 81068511 81119026 81135345 81141270 81142298
> 81144258 81148938 81148965 81153874 81157696 81161075 81162511
> 81169788 81172990 81182785 81190021 81191287 81201612 81202177
> 81209948 81213150 81217396 81218266 81221500 81225989 81226495
> 81231106 81231573 81234898 81234899 81234913 81236269 81238786
> 81239826 81242794 81242795 81242796 81242797 81242798 81242799
> 81245286 81245554 81245788 81246567 81247129 81248082 81248913
> 81248914 81251116 81254327 81256798 81261057 81261352 81265167
> 81268153 81274276 81276980 81284569 81286541 81288543 81297076
> 81299540 81337716*
>
> By my quick checks, none of those 65 serial numbers appear on TESS
> Classic, not even as dead records.
>
> But here's an unexpected twist in my analyses: *Using the multi-search
> feature of TSDR (max 25 records at a time), the TSDR summary list
> shows these trademarks _live registrations_.* Huh? So then I toggle
> to the individual TSDR display screen for a few of these records see
> the status
>
> *Registration cancelled as inadvertently issued.*
>
> which is the actual status that I anticipated. *So why did the TSDR
> multi-search summary screen show these 65 trademark records as live?
> * (Yes, some have drawings, but many are missing the filing date.)
>
> #
>
> SN
>
> FD
>
> RN
>
> Word Mark
>
> Status
> 1
>
> 81029001
>
> 08/02/1973
>
> 1029001
>
>
> live
> 2
>
> 81046286
>
>
> 1046286
>
> GIF-02
>
> live
> 3
>
> 81068511
>
> 05/13/1976
>
> 1068511
>
>
> live
> 4
>
> 81119026
>
> 07/05/1977
>
> 1119026
>
>
> live
> 5
>
> 81135345
>
>
> 1135345
>
> BAGELMANIA
>
> live
> 6
>
> 81141270
>
>
> 1141270
>
> ULTRALITE
>
> live
> 7
>
> 81142298
>
> 04/28/1978
>
> 1142298
>
>
> live
> 8
>
> 81144258
>
> 06/08/1978
>
> 1144258
>
> GUTS
>
> live
> 9
>
> 81148938
>
> 02/01/1979
>
> 1148938
>
>
> live
> 10
>
> 81148965
>
> 05/15/1979
>
> 1148965
>
>
> live
> 11
>
> 81153874
>
> 11/27/1978
>
> 1153874
>
> GATEWAYS TO S…
>
> live
> 12
>
> 81157696
>
>
> 1157696
>
> DIET WHIPPED
>
> live
> 13
>
> 81161075
>
> 07/16/1979
>
> 1161075
>
>
> live
> 14
>
> 81162511
>
> 01/28/1980
>
> 1162511
>
> CHEMIHOE
>
> live
> 15
>
> 81169788
>
>
> 1169788
>
> TL
>
> live
> 16
>
> 81172990
>
>
> 1172990
>
> TEMPORALDISPE…
>
> live
> 17
>
> 81182785
>
>
> 1182785
>
> ARC-STRANGLER
>
> live
> 18
>
> 81190021
>
>
> 1190021
>
> PRO SKYER
>
> live
> 19
>
> 81191287
>
> 05/15/1981
>
> 1191287
>
> BRIDGEMAN'S
>
> live
> 20
>
> 81201612
>
>
> 1201612
>
> TOSHIBA
>
> live
> 21
>
> 81202177
>
>
> 1202177
>
> LA MONEGASQUE
>
> live
> 22
>
> 81209948
>
> 01/01/1978
>
> 1209948
>
>
> live
> 23
>
> 81213150
>
>
> 1213150
>
> VALCAN CAL-STAT
>
> live
> 24
>
> 81217396
>
>
> 1217396
>
> SOLAR
>
> live
> 25
>
> 81218266
>
>
> 1218266
>
> SOLAR
>
> live
> 26
>
> 81221500
>
>
> 1221500
>
> A.M.L.
>
> live
> 27
>
> 81225989
>
>
> 1225989
>
> V & S VARIETY S…
>
> live
> 28
>
> 81226495
>
>
> 1226495
>
> FOR TRUE GROU…
>
> live
> 29
>
> 81231106
>
>
> 1231106
>
> SHEERPLAS
>
> live
> 30
>
> 81231573
>
>
> 1231573
>
> JUPON
>
> live
> 31
>
> 81234898
>
>
> 1234898
>
> WHAT'S BUGGIN…
>
> live
> 32
>
> 81234899
>
>
> 1234899
>
>
> live
> 33
>
> 81234913
>
>
> 1234913
>
> FASTRAC
>
> live
> 34
>
> 81236269
>
>
> 1236269
>
> ITC BOOKMAN
>
> live
> 35
>
> 81238786
>
>
> 1238786
>
> ARMILLA
>
> live
> 36
>
> 81239826
>
>
> 1239826
>
> CTS
>
> live
> 37
>
> 81242794
>
>
> 1242794
>
> ITC LUBALIN GR…
>
> live
> 38
>
> 81242795
>
>
> 1242795
>
> ITC AVANTGARD…
>
> live
> 39
>
> 81242796
>
>
> 1242796
>
> ITC FRANKLIN G…
>
> live
> 40
>
> 81242797
>
>
> 1242797
>
> ITC FENICE
>
> live
> 41
>
> 81242798
>
>
> 1242798
>
> ITC ZAPF CHANC…
>
> live
> 42
>
> 81242799
>
>
> 1242799
>
> ITC NOVARESE
>
> live
> 43
>
> 81245286
>
>
> 1245286
>
> BOLT
>
> live
> 44
>
> 81245554
>
>
> 1245554
>
> COOKIE HOUSE
>
> live
> 45
>
> 81245788
>
>
> 1245788
>
> ASPI-VENIN
>
> live
> 46
>
> 81246567
>
>
> 1246567
>
> THE SUPER SPUD
>
> live
> 47
>
> 81247129
>
>
> 1247129
>
> SOCK SICLES
>
> live
> 48
>
> 81248082
>
>
> 1248082
>
> ION
>
> live
> 49
>
> 81248913
>
>
> 1248913
>
> ITC BENGUIAT C…
>
> live
> 50
>
> 81248914
>
>
> 1248914
>
> ITC BENGUIAT G…
>
> live
> 51
>
> 81251116
>
>
> 1251116
>
> ITC AVANT GARD…
>
> live
> 52
>
> 81254327
>
>
> 1254327
>
> CARBO-MIX
>
> live
> 53
>
> 81256798
>
>
> 1256798
>
> STUMPJUMPER
>
> live
> 54
>
> 81261057
>
>
> 1261057
>
> MRS. GOODHAM…
>
> live
> 55
>
> 81261352
>
>
> 1261352
>
> GRAND VELOUR
>
> live
> 56
>
> 81265167
>
>
> 1265167
>
> FIRINO-MARTELL
>
> live
> 57
>
> 81268153
>
>
> 1268153
>
> PACE
>
> live
> 58
>
> 81274276
>
>
> 1274276
>
> ITC CHELTENHAM
>
> live
> 59
>
> 81276980
>
>
> 1276980
>
> ECCO MILANO
>
> live
> 60
>
> 81284569
>
>
> 1284569
>
> MINIBANK
>
> live
> 61
>
> 81286541
>
>
> 1286541
>
> THE GALLEY
>
> live
> 62
>
> 81288543
>
>
> 1288543
>
> ENCO
>
> live
> 63
>
> 81297076
>
>
> 1297076
>
> MCDONALD'S
>
> live
> 64
>
> 81299540
>
>
> 1299540
>
> GLADIATOR
>
> live
> 65
>
> 81337716
>
> 10/15/1984
>
> 1337716
>
>
> live
>
>
> Given the differences in hit counts for the various series, perhaps a
> similar review of dead trademark records for each series should be
> performed? Alas, I've spent far more time on this analysis and now
> I'm too tired to continue ....
>
> Happy Trademarking,
> Ken Boone
>
> PS - Another hiccup that I was too tired to analyze. I took the list
> of 65 inconsistencies above and constructed the TESS Beta search
>
> SN: 81029001 81046286 81068511 81119026 81135345 81141270 81142298
> 81144258 81148938 81148965 81153874 81157696 81161075 81162511
> 81169788 81172990 81182785 81190021 81191287 81201612 81202177
> 81209948 81213150 81217396 81218266 81221500 81225989 81226495
> 81231106 81231573 81234898 81234899 81234913 81236269 81238786
> 81239826 81242794 81242795 81242796 81242797 81242798 81242799
> 81245286 81245554 81245788 81246567 81247129 81248082 81248913
> 81248914 81251116 81254327 81256798 81261057 81261352 81265167
> 81268153 81274276 81276980 81284569 81286541 81288543 81297076
> 81299540 81337716
>
> to double check my work, except that rather long search returns 73
> records, not 65 records. Huh? Here's the text summary
>
> 73 results for SN: 81029001 81046286 81068511 81119026 81135345
> 81141270 81142298 81144258 81148938 81148965 81153874 81157696
> 81161075 81162511 81169788 81172990 81182785 81190021 81191287
> 81201612 81202177 81209948 81213150 81217396 81218266 81221500
> 81225989 81226495 81231106 81231573 81234898 81234899 81234913
> 81236269 81238786 81239826 81242794 81242795 81242796 81242797
> 81242798 81242799 81245286 81245554 81245788 81246567 81247129
> 81248082 81248913 81248914 81251116 81254327 81256798 81261057
> 81261352 81265167 81268153 81274276 81276980 81284569 81286541
> 81288543 81297076 81299540 81337716
>
> So how does TESS Beta find 73 records for 65 serial numbers? Well,
> hits #65 through #71 are 73-series records, and hit #73 is sn 85281559
> (85 series). Weird, huh, or does that TESS Beta search work correctly
> for you? (Again, it would be NICE if I could do copy/paste of those
> 73 records directly from the TESS Beta hit list to this email, put
> prior attempts for copy/paste like that yielded UgLy results.
>
>
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