[Patentcenter] [External Sender] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
Jill Santuccio
jsantuccio at hpdlaw.com
Thu Jun 26 20:27:30 UTC 2025
I second Erin and Nicole's sentiments from the paralegal perspective - this has been a thorn in paralegals sides since the system went down LAST AUGUST. Part of my PL duties when we receive a Notice of Allowance is completing the double-check checklist to ensure everything is in order before paying the Issue Fee. A key component is ensuring that the Assignment(s) is/are in place and that they're correct. In addition, I often do a full-family check and make sure we have Assignments recorded all the way back to the provisional. But, we can no longer use the Assignment lookup for PRVs either, and they used to be in the Assignment tab in that application in PCenter. Regardless of PRV or NPRV, published or non-published that little tab/search function was like gold. You could go to the continuity tab and click through every app in the family and click on the Assignment tab to make sure everything was buttoned up. Furthermore, when you can't verify an Assignment using the lookup, and perhaps you inherited the case from another firm that may not have forwarded the NORA, it's really embarrassing to re-record the Assignment out of an abundance of caution, only to find out months later (when the lookup is working properly) that you've recorded the same Assignment twice.
Ok enough venting ... how do we get this fixed?
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1. why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
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inefficiency into the system? (Randall Svihla)
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inefficiency into the system? (Dan Feigelson)
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inefficiency into the system? (Randall Svihla)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 12:49:07 +0300
From: "Dan Feigelson" <djf at iliplaw.com>
To: "For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
legal advice." <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>,"users of
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Subject: [Patentcenter] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency
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I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to see
the assignment information they have on record. When I click on
"assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays
assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to
access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use
Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to
the public. https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzozOGUwOjRjZWI3ZGNkZmFiZDMzY2M1YWUwNmRkNjBjNmE2NGM1MjM5MDk4ZmUyOTQ5ZDkyMGE2MTZmYzZkOTFjOTFkNDU6cDpUOlQ".
Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for my
*un*published applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice was
*trying* to say, "The application you're looking at has published, so we're
not making assignment information available to you in Patent Crapper, go to
Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike Richardson
and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
Dan
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From: Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
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Because of the assignment data leak last year.
From: Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> On Behalf Of Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2025 5:49 AM
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Cc: Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
Subject: [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to see the assignment information they have on record. When I click on "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to the public. https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo0YzMwOjU3OGRmNjM0MmEzZWU1YzRiMTg3ZGY2YTU3YWZlMTVlZWFjNDZjNDU0ZjZjYjdjODc3YTQ2ZjY4MWUyZDY2NTI6cDpUOlQ<https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://gcfagjf.r.af.d.sendibt2.com/ywdhqd-Jr15y54GvnG54PLN1Ab3ncD-u-fJoC_yMqghO5jAIBIvNb1yvcqg0sNpQ-c1iBW-vFmU04txX2IlJjctqtCRBxPCqc4MbZ/hz-B1AFymQmQR/Sr9vVxISnmZPJ2AXAwL1bCnxolohysBNSlo5Rlq1ABIpcIckcp2KmP1Ja7E0ScwoUBtY/zROtCfHT*~*z7E4vYFbauNmpnYrGywYQtAHnpL5if6HbrcQU/I/bTiI/DfSiHS_ilGiTjV61_A5wXU4/KSZramHPbYtwt*~*B9yhi50ZrKziox4xsQpS06Z*~*5hS4g_UCaTEkHL4KU94a*~*z0ZZ30gSvv-JfFIMyfQhSEo5-B___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzozYWNmOjhlNzQ4MjAzY2NjNzA0MmRkOTUwOWQ2NzNhZTU5NjBmOGRmZWJiMmFkNGQwZWI4N2Y0MjA0NmUxYzYzYmIxZDA6cDpUOlQ>".
Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for my unpublished applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice was trying to say, "The application you're looking at has published, so we're not making assignment information available to you in Patent Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike Richardson and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
Dan
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 13:01:02 +0300
From: "Dan Feigelson" <djf at iliplaw.com>
To: "Randall Svihla" <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
Cc: "For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
legal advice." <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>, "users of
Patentcenter" <patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
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Sounds like an excuse, not a reason.
Can someone explain why the ONLY way to fix the issue behind the data leak
was to prevent practitioners from seeing assignment data for their own
published cases in PC?
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 12:55 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com> wrote:
> Because of the assignment data leak last year.
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> *From:* Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 5:49 AM
> *To:* For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal
> advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <
> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
> *Subject:* [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency
> into the system?
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> [image: Image removed by sender.]
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> I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to
> see the assignment information they have on record. When I click on
> "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays
> assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to
> access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use
> Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to
> the public. https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzpjN2MwOmNmNzRmMzFiNzcwOTdhNmVjNDQ0ZGM0N2M3MmQwOGNlNDI0MGM4ZTEyNmM5YzVjNThiYTViZDlkMDMxNWVhNjY6cDpUOlQ
> <https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://gcfagjf.r.af.d.sendibt2.com/ywdhqd-Jr15y54GvnG54PLN1Ab3ncD-u-fJoC_yMqghO5jAIBIvNb1yvcqg0sNpQ-c1iBW-vFmU04txX2IlJjctqtCRBxPCqc4MbZ/hz-B1AFymQmQR/Sr9vVxISnmZPJ2AXAwL1bCnxolohysBNSlo5Rlq1ABIpcIckcp2KmP1Ja7E0ScwoUBtY/zROtCfHT*~*z7E4vYFbauNmpnYrGywYQtAHnpL5if6HbrcQU/I/bTiI/DfSiHS_ilGiTjV61_A5wXU4/KSZramHPbYtwt*~*B9yhi50ZrKziox4xsQpS06Z*~*5hS4g_UCaTEkHL4KU94a*~*z0ZZ30gSvv-JfFIMyfQhSEo5-B___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo0MzgzOmVkOTAxOTM2ZGY2ZDZjMTg4MmRkN2U2ZWJkMmViMTkzYzk4MWU4YWRjNmYyYzg2YzExM2JmZDFlYzcwNTFkZmI6cDpUOlQ>
> ".
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> Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for
> my *un*published applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice
> was *trying* to say, "The application you're looking at has published, so
> we're not making assignment information available to you in Patent Crapper,
> go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
>
>
>
> Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike Richardson
> and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
>
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> Dan
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 10:04:11 +0000
From: Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
To: Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
Cc: "For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
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Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
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My guess is that they figured that if they don't allow any assignment data to be displayed via Patent Center, they can't have another data leak of assignment data for unpublished applications.
From: Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:01 AM
To: Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
Cc: For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
Subject: Re: [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
Sounds like an excuse, not a reason.
Can someone explain why the ONLY way to fix the issue behind the data leak was to prevent practitioners from seeing assignment data for their own published cases in PC?
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 12:55 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com<mailto:rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>> wrote:
Because of the assignment data leak last year.
From: Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com>> On Behalf Of Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2025 5:49 AM
To: For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>>; users of Patentcenter <patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>>
Cc: Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com<mailto:djf at iliplaw.com>>
Subject: [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to see the assignment information they have on record. When I click on "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to the public. https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo1N2UzOjgxOGM0MmNhZWY0ODYyNGIyYzhmZjg3YmE4ODkzMmFkZDljZGQ3NGZlYjFlNzk4M2I1MDYyZDE3YzE0NTcyNTE6cDpUOlQ<https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://gcfagjf.r.af.d.sendibt2.com/ywdhqd-Jr15y54GvnG54PLN1Ab3ncD-u-fJoC_yMqghO5jAIBIvNb1yvcqg0sNpQ-c1iBW-vFmU04txX2IlJjctqtCRBxPCqc4MbZ/hz-B1AFymQmQR/Sr9vVxISnmZPJ2AXAwL1bCnxolohysBNSlo5Rlq1ABIpcIckcp2KmP1Ja7E0ScwoUBtY/zROtCfHT*~*z7E4vYFbauNmpnYrGywYQtAHnpL5if6HbrcQU/I/bTiI/DfSiHS_ilGiTjV61_A5wXU4/KSZramHPbYtwt*~*B9yhi50ZrKziox4xsQpS06Z*~*5hS4g_UCaTEkHL4KU94a*~*z0ZZ30gSvv-JfFIMyfQhSEo5-B___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo5ZTkyOjE5M2E4Zjg0NWI5YTNlNmM2NTE5YmViOWJhNDRlMDgxOWM2MGNiYzQxNDE3Mzc3MzY4MTNiMmE1ZTA5ZGVjNTQ6cDpUOlQ>".
Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for my unpublished applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice was trying to say, "The application you're looking at has published, so we're not making assignment information available to you in Patent Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike Richardson and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
Dan
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 13:15:43 +0300
From: "Dan Feigelson" <djf at iliplaw.com>
To: "Randall Svihla" <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
Cc: "For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
legal advice." <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>, "users of
Patentcenter" <patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
design inefficiency into the system?
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But I can see assignment data for unpublished applications, so they didn't
cut ALL access to assignment data from PC.
If you're saying they cut off assignment access for all publicly visible
applications, that's a possible explanation, but doesn't answer my
question. Except that, if true, it means they're just lazy and/or
incompetent.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 1:04 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com> wrote:
> My guess is that they figured that if they don't allow any assignment data
> to be displayed via Patent Center, they can't have another data leak of
> assignment data for unpublished applications.
>
>
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>
>
> *From:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:01 AM
> *To:* Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
> *Cc:* For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal
> advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <
> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design
> inefficiency into the system?
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> Sounds like an excuse, not a reason.
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>
>
> Can someone explain why the ONLY way to fix the issue behind the data leak
> was to prevent practitioners from seeing assignment data for their own
> published cases in PC?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 12:55 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
> wrote:
>
> Because of the assignment data leak last year.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 5:49 AM
> *To:* For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal
> advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <
> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
> *Subject:* [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency
> into the system?
>
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
> I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to
> see the assignment information they have on record. When I click on
> "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays
> assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to
> access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use
> Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to
> the public. https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo3NTM5OmQ1ZTZlMDViMWE1MWE4ZjA2NzE0OGJjYTEyNjE0ZmNkOGEyYjI4ZGRmMWE4YzM5NjUyMjgwZWZhNDQxMzM4YjY6cDpUOlQ
> <https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://gcfagjf.r.af.d.sendibt2.com/ywdhqd-Jr15y54GvnG54PLN1Ab3ncD-u-fJoC_yMqghO5jAIBIvNb1yvcqg0sNpQ-c1iBW-vFmU04txX2IlJjctqtCRBxPCqc4MbZ/hz-B1AFymQmQR/Sr9vVxISnmZPJ2AXAwL1bCnxolohysBNSlo5Rlq1ABIpcIckcp2KmP1Ja7E0ScwoUBtY/zROtCfHT*~*z7E4vYFbauNmpnYrGywYQtAHnpL5if6HbrcQU/I/bTiI/DfSiHS_ilGiTjV61_A5wXU4/KSZramHPbYtwt*~*B9yhi50ZrKziox4xsQpS06Z*~*5hS4g_UCaTEkHL4KU94a*~*z0ZZ30gSvv-JfFIMyfQhSEo5-B___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzpjNTk4OjNlOGMzMDgyZDAyZGE5OTgzZmIwNTA1MWYzNGJhZjVlNWFhZDk3YjA3N2E3NDc5ZGUwNmJlYTYwZjhlNDQwMGE6cDpUOlQ>
> ".
>
>
>
> Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for
> my *un*published applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice
> was *trying* to say, "The application you're looking at has published, so
> we're not making assignment information available to you in Patent Crapper,
> go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
>
>
>
> Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike Richardson
> and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
>
>
>
> Dan
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 12:08:13 +0000
From: "Suzannah K. Sundby" <suzannah at canadylortz.com>
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Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
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> why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
To guarantee their employment… if a program/system is ‘perfect’ and can’t be improved upon, they will no longer be needed.
I suspect this is the same for most all software programmers.
In fact, I think software programmers, computer hardware mfrs, and hackers are all in cahoots with each other… Think about it… over the last 10 or more years, not much is different wrt to, e.g., MS Word and its functions, except for its appearance/interface… but the programmers keep making new versions claiming its new and improved. The newer version, however, often removes a prior function or two… yet the newer version requires more RAM and ROM… which then requires one to get a new computer with sufficient RAM and ROM… which, ‘lo and behold, the new computer’s operating system and/or the newer version of software has virus/hacker vulnerabilities (shocker), which requires patches etc. which require more RAM and ROM… and btw now the new computer and newer version of software doesn’t work seamlessly with some of your other software programs… so you have to get the newer versions of those other software programs… and ‘round n ‘round… meanwhile all the newer versions of software only allow annual subscription licenses whereby they can charge you more… and force you to upgrade to the next newer version of the software which subscription costs even more.
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Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
But I can see assignment data for unpublished applications, so they didn't cut ALL access to assignment data from PC.
If you're saying they cut off assignment access for all publicly visible applications, that's a possible explanation, but doesn't answer my question. Except that, if true, it means they're just lazy and/or incompetent.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 1:04 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com<mailto:rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>> wrote:
My guess is that they figured that if they don't allow any assignment data to be displayed via Patent Center, they can't have another data leak of assignment data for unpublished applications.
From: Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com<mailto:djf at iliplaw.com>>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:01 AM
To: Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com<mailto:rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
Sounds like an excuse, not a reason.
Can someone explain why the ONLY way to fix the issue behind the data leak was to prevent practitioners from seeing assignment data for their own published cases in PC?
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 12:55 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com<mailto:rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>> wrote:
Because of the assignment data leak last year.
From: Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com>> On Behalf Of Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2025 5:49 AM
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Cc: Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com<mailto:djf at iliplaw.com>>
Subject: [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to see the assignment information they have on record. When I click on "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to the public. https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo2MGY2OjVjN2E3NjQxNzIxYzI5NjM5MmIzYjQxNzA3OGVjYjYxOGU0YTQ4OWJlN2VjYTQ3N2E4MWZiMjZlYTE0MGY0NDQ6cDpUOlQ<https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://gcfagjf.r.af.d.sendibt2.com/ywdhqd-Jr15y54GvnG54PLN1Ab3ncD-u-fJoC_yMqghO5jAIBIvNb1yvcqg0sNpQ-c1iBW-vFmU04txX2IlJjctqtCRBxPCqc4MbZ/hz-B1AFymQmQR/Sr9vVxISnmZPJ2AXAwL1bCnxolohysBNSlo5Rlq1ABIpcIckcp2KmP1Ja7E0ScwoUBtY/zROtCfHT*~*z7E4vYFbauNmpnYrGywYQtAHnpL5if6HbrcQU/I/bTiI/DfSiHS_ilGiTjV61_A5wXU4/KSZramHPbYtwt*~*B9yhi50ZrKziox4xsQpS06Z*~*5hS4g_UCaTEkHL4KU94a*~*z0ZZ30gSvv-JfFIMyfQhSEo5-B___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzpkZTU5OjIxNGQ4NzgzYTYxYTc5NGY0MGY4OTlkODhkYjk2ZGY4ZGI3NWMyMDM0NTJmNGI0NWQzMDU3ZTliMjZhNDgyNDM6cDpUOlQ>".
Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for my unpublished applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice was trying to say, "The application you're looking at has published, so we're not making assignment information available to you in Patent Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike Richardson and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
Dan
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 08:12:44 -0400
From: David Boundy <DavidBoundyEsq at gmail.com>
To: "For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about
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Cc: Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>, "Suzannah K. Sundby"
<suzannah at canadylortz.com>, "For patent practitioners. This is not for
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Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
design inefficiency into the system?
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Yeah. In my view, MS Office and MS Windows hit a zenith around 2005 or
2006. Since then, everything has been adding complexity and attack
surface, and disrupting settled user interfaces with little to no benefit.
Phones a few years later.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 8:08 AM Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentcenter <
patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
> > why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
>
>
>
> To guarantee their employment… if a program/system is ‘perfect’ and can’t
> be improved upon, they will no longer be needed.
>
>
>
> I suspect this is the same for most all software programmers.
>
>
>
> In fact, I think software programmers, computer hardware mfrs, and
> hackers are all in cahoots with each other… Think about it… over the last
> 10 or more years, not much is different wrt to, e.g., MS Word and its
> functions, except for its appearance/interface… but the programmers keep
> making new versions claiming its new and improved. The newer version,
> however, often removes a prior function or two… yet the newer version
> requires more RAM and ROM… which then requires one to get a new computer
> with sufficient RAM and ROM… which, ‘lo and behold, the new computer’s
> operating system and/or the newer version of software has virus/hacker
> vulnerabilities (shocker), which requires patches etc. which require more
> RAM and ROM… and btw now the new computer and newer version of software
> doesn’t work seamlessly with some of your other software programs… so you
> have to get the newer versions of those other software programs… and ‘round
> n ‘round… meanwhile all the newer versions of software only allow annual
> subscription licenses whereby they can charge you more… and force you to
> upgrade to the next newer version of the software which subscription costs
> even more.
>
>
>
> Suzannah K. Sundby <https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___http://www.linkedin.com/nsdxxzsigDd___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo3MTNkOjRiNjEyODNhODg5YjhhZGRmNmEwN2Y1N2Q0NmE2OTMwNTk4M2QyZGNhN2QwYTE0NjVhMWFjNDgxYTUxNDNkNDk6cDpUOlQ> *|* Partner
>
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> *From:* Patentcenter <patentcenter-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Dan Feigelson via Patentcenter
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:16 AM
> *To:* Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
> *Cc:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>; For patent practitioners. This is
> not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <
> patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <
> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
> design inefficiency into the system?
>
>
>
> But I can see assignment data for unpublished applications, so they didn't
> cut ALL access to assignment data from PC.
>
> If you're saying they cut off assignment access for all publicly visible
> applications, that's a possible explanation, but doesn't answer my
> question. Except that, if true, it means they're just lazy and/or
> incompetent.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 1:04 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
> wrote:
>
> My guess is that they figured that if they don't allow any assignment data
> to be displayed via Patent Center, they can't have another data leak of
> assignment data for unpublished applications.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:01 AM
> *To:* Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
> *Cc:* For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal
> advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <
> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design
> inefficiency into the system?
>
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
> Sounds like an excuse, not a reason.
>
>
>
> Can someone explain why the ONLY way to fix the issue behind the data leak
> was to prevent practitioners from seeing assignment data for their own
> published cases in PC?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 12:55 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
> wrote:
>
> Because of the assignment data leak last year.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 5:49 AM
> *To:* For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal
> advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <
> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
> *Subject:* [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency
> into the system?
>
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
> I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to
> see the assignment information they have on record. When I click on
> "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays
> assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to
> access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use
> Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to
> the public. https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzoyOWEwOjE3NDQxMjViNDJiY2ZiOTI3NTIwMjUzYjBmMzJlN2UwMjBmYWRmMjc5NzhiZmY0OWJkYWFlYzY2NjBiZjNiMmE6cDpUOlQ
> <https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://gcfagjf.r.af.d.sendibt2.com/ywdhqd-Jr15y54GvnG54PLN1Ab3ncD-u-fJoC_yMqghO5jAIBIvNb1yvcqg0sNpQ-c1iBW-vFmU04txX2IlJjctqtCRBxPCqc4MbZ/hz-B1AFymQmQR/Sr9vVxISnmZPJ2AXAwL1bCnxolohysBNSlo5Rlq1ABIpcIckcp2KmP1Ja7E0ScwoUBtY/zROtCfHT*~*z7E4vYFbauNmpnYrGywYQtAHnpL5if6HbrcQU/I/bTiI/DfSiHS_ilGiTjV61_A5wXU4/KSZramHPbYtwt*~*B9yhi50ZrKziox4xsQpS06Z*~*5hS4g_UCaTEkHL4KU94a*~*z0ZZ30gSvv-JfFIMyfQhSEo5-B___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo2ODA1OjQwNTgzMmUxODQ3NGI0ZTg3NmM2YmM4NTEzZGRjNTVhMmFkZjg0MGYxYjU0ZGE2MzMxYmZlNzY5YzNhMmYxNGY6cDpUOlQ>
> ".
>
>
>
> Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for
> my *un*published applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice
> was *trying* to say, "The application you're looking at has published, so
> we're not making assignment information available to you in Patent Crapper,
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 15:41:00 +0300
From: "Dan Feigelson" <djf at iliplaw.com>
To: "Suzannah K. Sundby" <suzannah at canadylortz.com>
Cc: "For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about
Patent Center." <patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>, "Randall Svihla"
<rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>, "For patent practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice." <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>
Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
design inefficiency into the system?
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Suzannah, I buy the "planned obsolescence" explanation of Microsoft/PC
manufacturers doing what they do. I've said for a long time that Word 2.0
worked just great for what I usually do. As did Windows XP, which was the
first version of Windows that was almost good as the original Mac OS.
But PatentCrapper is not a mass-market program, it's made for exactly one
client, the USPTO, made to specifications set by the USPTO - just like ePCT
is made only for WIPO, to specs set by WIPO. And yet the folks running and
programming ePCT don't seem to be operating on a planned obsolescence
model.
The fact that patent crapper is so bad, despite input from those of us who
use it, means that (a) the people in charge of IT at the USPTO are
incredibly stupid (b) the people in charge of IT at the USPTO don't care,
(c) the programmers have a contract that effectively makes them immune from
getting dinged for bad work. Of course, those three things are not
mutually exclusive. And I think Carl has in the past explained how (c) is a
possibility (viz. federal government requirements for contractors that
insure that only big, clunky vendors can even bid for USPTO IT contracts).
Dan
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 3:08 PM Suzannah K. Sundby <suzannah at canadylortz.com>
wrote:
> > why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
>
>
>
> To guarantee their employment… if a program/system is ‘perfect’ and can’t
> be improved upon, they will no longer be needed.
>
>
>
> I suspect this is the same for most all software programmers.
>
>
>
> In fact, I think software programmers, computer hardware mfrs, and
> hackers are all in cahoots with each other… Think about it… over the last
> 10 or more years, not much is different wrt to, e.g., MS Word and its
> functions, except for its appearance/interface… but the programmers keep
> making new versions claiming its new and improved. The newer version,
> however, often removes a prior function or two… yet the newer version
> requires more RAM and ROM… which then requires one to get a new computer
> with sufficient RAM and ROM… which, ‘lo and behold, the new computer’s
> operating system and/or the newer version of software has virus/hacker
> vulnerabilities (shocker), which requires patches etc. which require more
> RAM and ROM… and btw now the new computer and newer version of software
> doesn’t work seamlessly with some of your other software programs… so you
> have to get the newer versions of those other software programs… and ‘round
> n ‘round… meanwhile all the newer versions of software only allow annual
> subscription licenses whereby they can charge you more… and force you to
> upgrade to the next newer version of the software which subscription costs
> even more.
>
>
>
> Suzannah K. Sundby <https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___http://www.linkedin.com/nsdxxzsigDd___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo5ZTJhOjFhYTM3MDI2ZTY0NTNlNGZhNmQ1YmE5MmE3NjkxNjYwN2YxZmExYWY3ODUyNTdkY2QzZGYyNmU0NDcyOWEwMjQ6cDpUOlQ> *|* Partner
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> *From:* Patentcenter <patentcenter-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Dan Feigelson via Patentcenter
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:16 AM
> *To:* Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
> *Cc:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>; For patent practitioners. This is
> not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <
> patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <
> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
> design inefficiency into the system?
>
>
>
> But I can see assignment data for unpublished applications, so they didn't
> cut ALL access to assignment data from PC.
>
> If you're saying they cut off assignment access for all publicly visible
> applications, that's a possible explanation, but doesn't answer my
> question. Except that, if true, it means they're just lazy and/or
> incompetent.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 1:04 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
> wrote:
>
> My guess is that they figured that if they don't allow any assignment data
> to be displayed via Patent Center, they can't have another data leak of
> assignment data for unpublished applications.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:01 AM
> *To:* Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
> *Cc:* For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal
> advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <
> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design
> inefficiency into the system?
>
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
> Sounds like an excuse, not a reason.
>
>
>
> Can someone explain why the ONLY way to fix the issue behind the data leak
> was to prevent practitioners from seeing assignment data for their own
> published cases in PC?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 12:55 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
> wrote:
>
> Because of the assignment data leak last year.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 5:49 AM
> *To:* For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal
> advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <
> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
> *Subject:* [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency
> into the system?
>
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
> I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to
> see the assignment information they have on record. When I click on
> "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays
> assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to
> access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use
> Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to
> the public. https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzpmNjkxOjFiMWFjNTQ2ZjcyYzIzOGIzMzQwZTY4MjY1ZmRiYjA4NTIzYzZiOTk2ZGZlYWJjNWM0MDlmZTYwNGU1ZjViMTk6cDpUOlQ
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> ".
>
>
>
> Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for
> my *un*published applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice
> was *trying* to say, "The application you're looking at has published, so
> we're not making assignment information available to you in Patent Crapper,
> go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
>
>
>
> Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike Richardson
> and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 08:14:30 -0500
From: Vivek Ramachandran <vivramachandran at gmail.com>
To: "For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about
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Cc: "For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
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Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
design inefficiency into the system?
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More likely it's just incompetence. The current view is security by locking
down access to public data. They shut down more than the assingments. The
entire PEDS system was turned off.
They should have separated the two systems from get go. One stores data
that is public and one stores data that is non-public. Turns out they were
using access control from the same database. To fix this, they would have
had to replicate their expensive system. Instead they chose to shut it all
down. Rate limit patent center to prevent leaks. It's security by hampering
data access.
Seems to be why we have to put up with a suboptimal system.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 7:42 AM Dan Feigelson via Patentcenter <
patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
> Suzannah, I buy the "planned obsolescence" explanation of Microsoft/PC
> manufacturers doing what they do. I've said for a long time that Word 2.0
> worked just great for what I usually do. As did Windows XP, which was the
> first version of Windows that was almost good as the original Mac OS.
>
> But PatentCrapper is not a mass-market program, it's made for exactly one
> client, the USPTO, made to specifications set by the USPTO - just like ePCT
> is made only for WIPO, to specs set by WIPO. And yet the folks running and
> programming ePCT don't seem to be operating on a planned obsolescence
> model.
>
> The fact that patent crapper is so bad, despite input from those of us who
> use it, means that (a) the people in charge of IT at the USPTO are
> incredibly stupid (b) the people in charge of IT at the USPTO don't care,
> (c) the programmers have a contract that effectively makes them immune from
> getting dinged for bad work. Of course, those three things are not
> mutually exclusive. And I think Carl has in the past explained how (c) is a
> possibility (viz. federal government requirements for contractors that
> insure that only big, clunky vendors can even bid for USPTO IT contracts).
>
> Dan
>
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 3:08 PM Suzannah K. Sundby <
> suzannah at canadylortz.com> wrote:
>
>> > why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
>>
>>
>>
>> To guarantee their employment… if a program/system is ‘perfect’ and can’t
>> be improved upon, they will no longer be needed.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect this is the same for most all software programmers.
>>
>>
>>
>> In fact, I think software programmers, computer hardware mfrs, and
>> hackers are all in cahoots with each other… Think about it… over the last
>> 10 or more years, not much is different wrt to, e.g., MS Word and its
>> functions, except for its appearance/interface… but the programmers keep
>> making new versions claiming its new and improved. The newer version,
>> however, often removes a prior function or two… yet the newer version
>> requires more RAM and ROM… which then requires one to get a new computer
>> with sufficient RAM and ROM… which, ‘lo and behold, the new computer’s
>> operating system and/or the newer version of software has virus/hacker
>> vulnerabilities (shocker), which requires patches etc. which require more
>> RAM and ROM… and btw now the new computer and newer version of software
>> doesn’t work seamlessly with some of your other software programs… so you
>> have to get the newer versions of those other software programs… and ‘round
>> n ‘round… meanwhile all the newer versions of software only allow annual
>> subscription licenses whereby they can charge you more… and force you to
>> upgrade to the next newer version of the software which subscription costs
>> even more.
>>
>>
>>
>> Suzannah K. Sundby
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>> suzannah at canadylortz.com
>>
>> https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___www.canadylortz.com___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzpmODcwOjk2ODRiMmVjNjlmZjEwMGRhYjg1ZTRhYzQyMGVkN2YxMTI1ZTM3M2I4OTc4NjA3NWU5YTMzMzQ2MDQ3MThmMjU6cDpUOkY
>> <https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://gcfagjf.r.af.d.sendibt2.com/ywdhqdXgtE2ka3_pIjmi-mHcTRDNk998O7*~*VGQ9snDSwl_wii7_gsJigQtwJ68WNXIHV*~*n1YuQgQs1aGlNbS8W03zmY*~*YDq5Vm*~*rit3HfoK2VRvry4jstT-vb8tnWLXhbmgF0VfwkA2pgo9MsD_sbPz*~*1EazAVAbPYlO-1*~*H4jxzxuTrGP17VWwszW/Wl2s9v_gJm52RHAArftoZPl3rKroUGvVDDFu-PgE07QYtRRJY_-*~*1uZqf0BCfkxuN/Ni77EZJD-6/-/*~*uc1qK8vEZU36o9fTJCGlXh___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo0ZDdmOmFhOTIwM2ZiNGZkMWYzOGIwYmI2NGEyYTU1Nzk5M2VlZDViOTY2NTM1YzFiMGQ5MmM1MGVhZGVjNmU2MTUyMTM6cDpUOlQ>
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>> *From:* Patentcenter <patentcenter-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
>> Behalf Of *Dan Feigelson via Patentcenter
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:16 AM
>> *To:* Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
>> *Cc:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>; For patent practitioners. This is
>> not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <
>> patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <
>> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
>> design inefficiency into the system?
>>
>>
>>
>> But I can see assignment data for unpublished applications, so they
>> didn't cut ALL access to assignment data from PC.
>>
>> If you're saying they cut off assignment access for all publicly visible
>> applications, that's a possible explanation, but doesn't answer my
>> question. Except that, if true, it means they're just lazy and/or
>> incompetent.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 1:04 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> My guess is that they figured that if they don't allow any assignment
>> data to be displayed via Patent Center, they can't have another data leak
>> of assignment data for unpublished applications.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:01 AM
>> *To:* Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
>> *Cc:* For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal
>> advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <
>> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design
>> inefficiency into the system?
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>>
>> Sounds like an excuse, not a reason.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone explain why the ONLY way to fix the issue behind the data
>> leak was to prevent practitioners from seeing assignment data for their own
>> published cases in PC?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 12:55 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Because of the assignment data leak last year.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
>> Behalf Of *Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 5:49 AM
>> *To:* For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal
>> advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <
>> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
>> *Cc:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
>> *Subject:* [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency
>> into the system?
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>>
>> I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to
>> see the assignment information they have on record. When I click on
>> "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays
>> assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to
>> access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use
>> Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to
>> the public. https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo1Y2Q3OmM2MWJkOTI0M2FhNDY0OGNmYzg1MjFkYmQ3Yjk4MzI3ZDcyYzIzZjYzOTBlMzE5NjQ5ODkzNzMwNzYxY2I3N2I6cDpUOlQ
>> <https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://gcfagjf.r.af.d.sendibt2.com/ywdhqd-Jr15y54GvnG54PLN1Ab3ncD-u-fJoC_yMqghO5jAIBIvNb1yvcqg0sNpQ-c1iBW-vFmU04txX2IlJjctqtCRBxPCqc4MbZ/hz-B1AFymQmQR/Sr9vVxISnmZPJ2AXAwL1bCnxolohysBNSlo5Rlq1ABIpcIckcp2KmP1Ja7E0ScwoUBtY/zROtCfHT*~*z7E4vYFbauNmpnYrGywYQtAHnpL5if6HbrcQU/I/bTiI/DfSiHS_ilGiTjV61_A5wXU4/KSZramHPbYtwt*~*B9yhi50ZrKziox4xsQpS06Z*~*5hS4g_UCaTEkHL4KU94a*~*z0ZZ30gSvv-JfFIMyfQhSEo5-B___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzphNjRhOjJkMTBkY2ExZGE4Yzc1YzQ1OGUxYzE4ZDM2NzllNjdkOWM2MWE5OGViY2QwNWE0NmFiZWJjOWJmNzNhZTViM2M6cDpUOlQ>
>> ".
>>
>>
>>
>> Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for
>> my *un*published applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice
>> was *trying* to say, "The application you're looking at has published,
>> so we're not making assignment information available to you in Patent
>> Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
>>
>>
>>
>> Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike
>> Richardson and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
>>
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 09:30:11 -0400
From: David Boundy <DavidBoundyEsq at gmail.com>
To: "For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about
Patent Center." <patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
Cc: Vivek Ramachandran <vivramachandran at gmail.com>, "For patent
practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice."
<patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>
Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
design inefficiency into the system?
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It's the incompetence of cultivated indifference.
For example, the PTO has obligations under the Paperwork Reduction Act that
govern most of the issues we've raised. The PTO doesn't just passively
ignore the PRA, the PTO affirmatively lies in its communications to the
Office of Management and Budget, claiming to have existing clearances when
the PTO never filed the paperwork. If the lawyers will run interference
for the agency to avoid following the law, why should IT care?
A couple weeks ago at AIPLA conference, I asked Will Covey (PTO's chief
ethics officer, and Acting Deputy Director), about the PTO's plans to
implement President Trump's Executive Orders 13891 and 13892, which cover
many of our issues.
https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://www.federalregister.gov/ithzrjsyxd756cd65d6/d756c-77*~*78duwtrtynsl-ymj-wzqj-tk-qfB-ymwtzlm-nruwtAji-fljshD-lznifshj-ithzrjsyx___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo5MGQ0OjYxMGVlZGE2ZWVlOWJmYjk0MGM3MWYyMzY5NzRlNGMzNmJjZThkNzBkYWNkYjJlZTBhZmZmMWMzZDhkZTIxN2I6cDpUOlQ
https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://www.federalregister.gov/ithzrjsyxd756cd65d6/d756c-77*~*79duwtrtynsl-ymj-wzqj-tk-qfB-ymwtzlm-ywfsxufwjshD-fsi-kfnwsjxx-ns-hnAnq-firnsnxywfynAj-jsktwhjrjsy-fsi___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzoyYTA2Ojc0YjE5NGI2MjU1ZDA1MTMxMDZlOTM4ODgwNTZhZDNjOGMxMWNhODU1NzQzYzlhZmM1YTMwMjU4ZmE4OGExZDM6cDpUOlQ
He said (not literally, but in effect) that the PTO isn't doing a damn
thing. Apparently if a law has any costs to the PTO or limits PTO action,
the law can go fly a kite, with the blessing of the PTO's chief ethics
officer.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 9:15 AM Vivek Ramachandran via Patentcenter <
patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
> More likely it's just incompetence. The current view is security by
> locking down access to public data. They shut down more than the
> assingments. The entire PEDS system was turned off.
>
> They should have separated the two systems from get go. One stores data
> that is public and one stores data that is non-public. Turns out they were
> using access control from the same database. To fix this, they would have
> had to replicate their expensive system. Instead they chose to shut it all
> down. Rate limit patent center to prevent leaks. It's security by hampering
> data access.
>
> Seems to be why we have to put up with a suboptimal system.
>
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 7:42 AM Dan Feigelson via Patentcenter <
> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>
>> Suzannah, I buy the "planned obsolescence" explanation of Microsoft/PC
>> manufacturers doing what they do. I've said for a long time that Word 2.0
>> worked just great for what I usually do. As did Windows XP, which was the
>> first version of Windows that was almost good as the original Mac OS.
>>
>> But PatentCrapper is not a mass-market program, it's made for exactly one
>> client, the USPTO, made to specifications set by the USPTO - just like ePCT
>> is made only for WIPO, to specs set by WIPO. And yet the folks running and
>> programming ePCT don't seem to be operating on a planned obsolescence
>> model.
>>
>> The fact that patent crapper is so bad, despite input from those of us
>> who use it, means that (a) the people in charge of IT at the USPTO are
>> incredibly stupid (b) the people in charge of IT at the USPTO don't care,
>> (c) the programmers have a contract that effectively makes them immune from
>> getting dinged for bad work. Of course, those three things are not
>> mutually exclusive. And I think Carl has in the past explained how (c) is a
>> possibility (viz. federal government requirements for contractors that
>> insure that only big, clunky vendors can even bid for USPTO IT contracts).
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 3:08 PM Suzannah K. Sundby <
>> suzannah at canadylortz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To guarantee their employment… if a program/system is ‘perfect’ and
>>> can’t be improved upon, they will no longer be needed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect this is the same for most all software programmers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact, I think software programmers, computer hardware mfrs, and
>>> hackers are all in cahoots with each other… Think about it… over the last
>>> 10 or more years, not much is different wrt to, e.g., MS Word and its
>>> functions, except for its appearance/interface… but the programmers keep
>>> making new versions claiming its new and improved. The newer version,
>>> however, often removes a prior function or two… yet the newer version
>>> requires more RAM and ROM… which then requires one to get a new computer
>>> with sufficient RAM and ROM… which, ‘lo and behold, the new computer’s
>>> operating system and/or the newer version of software has virus/hacker
>>> vulnerabilities (shocker), which requires patches etc. which require more
>>> RAM and ROM… and btw now the new computer and newer version of software
>>> doesn’t work seamlessly with some of your other software programs… so you
>>> have to get the newer versions of those other software programs… and ‘round
>>> n ‘round… meanwhile all the newer versions of software only allow annual
>>> subscription licenses whereby they can charge you more… and force you to
>>> upgrade to the next newer version of the software which subscription costs
>>> even more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Suzannah K. Sundby
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>>> *From:* Patentcenter <patentcenter-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Dan Feigelson via Patentcenter
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:16 AM
>>> *To:* Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
>>> *Cc:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>; For patent practitioners. This
>>> is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <
>>> patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of Patentcenter <
>>> patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
>>> design inefficiency into the system?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But I can see assignment data for unpublished applications, so they
>>> didn't cut ALL access to assignment data from PC.
>>>
>>> If you're saying they cut off assignment access for all publicly visible
>>> applications, that's a possible explanation, but doesn't answer my
>>> question. Except that, if true, it means they're just lazy and/or
>>> incompetent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 1:04 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My guess is that they figured that if they don't allow any assignment
>>> data to be displayed via Patent Center, they can't have another data leak
>>> of assignment data for unpublished applications.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:01 AM
>>> *To:* Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
>>> *Cc:* For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
>>> legal advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of
>>> Patentcenter <patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design
>>> inefficiency into the system?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>>>
>>> Sounds like an excuse, not a reason.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can someone explain why the ONLY way to fix the issue behind the data
>>> leak was to prevent practitioners from seeing assignment data for their own
>>> published cases in PC?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 12:55 PM Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Because of the assignment data leak last year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 5:49 AM
>>> *To:* For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
>>> legal advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; users of
>>> Patentcenter <patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
>>> *Cc:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
>>> *Subject:* [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design
>>> inefficiency into the system?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>>>
>>> I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to
>>> see the assignment information they have on record. When I click on
>>> "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays
>>> assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to
>>> access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use
>>> Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to
>>> the public.
>>> https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzoxZjY5OmVlYmEzNzI3ZDVkOTk5MGQ0ZWZiOTJkNDljZWZlNDMwZmE0MzJkMDJmNzEyNTRmMjg2NjU5NWRjYzUzMmU4ZWE6cDpUOlQ
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>>> ".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for
>>> my *un*published applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice
>>> was *trying* to say, "The application you're looking at has published,
>>> so we're not making assignment information available to you in Patent
>>> Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike
>>> Richardson and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 09:35:36 -0400
From: Richard Straussman <rstraussman at weitzmanip.com>
To: patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com
Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
design inefficiency into the system?
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That should specifically be brought to John Squires' attention once he
gets his footing, and perhaps even seek a meeting with John and
Secretary Lutnick!
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On 6/26/2025 9:30 AM, David Boundy via Patentcenter wrote:
> It's the incompetence of cultivated indifference.
>
> For example, the PTO has obligations under the Paperwork Reduction Act
> that govern most of the issues we've raised. The PTO doesn't just
> passively ignore the PRA, the PTO affirmatively lies in its
> communications to the Office of Management and Budget, claiming to
> have existing clearances when the PTO never filed the paperwork. If
> the lawyers will run interference for the agency to avoid following
> the law, why should IT care?
>
> A couple weeks ago at AIPLA conference, I asked Will Covey (PTO's
> chief ethics officer, and Acting Deputy Director), about the PTO's
> plans to implement President Trump's Executive Orders 13891 and 13892,
> which cover many of our issues.
> https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://www.federalregister.gov/ithzrjsyxd756cd65d6/d756c-77*~*78duwtrtynsl-ymj-wzqj-tk-qfB-ymwtzlm-nruwtAji-fljshD-lznifshj-ithzrjsyx___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzpiZjhhOjEzMmU1NTYzYWEwYTFlNjViMTNmMjJlOGQ2ZDdlNzk1N2FhYjUxYzYzODA2Y2ExYWJmMWI5ZWZiYzAwMTBmMzk6cDpUOlQ
> https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://www.federalregister.gov/ithzrjsyxd756cd65d6/d756c-77*~*79duwtrtynsl-ymj-wzqj-tk-qfB-ymwtzlm-ywfsxufwjshD-fsi-kfnwsjxx-ns-hnAnq-firnsnxywfynAj-jsktwhjrjsy-fsi___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzowNjIwOjU1OTQ0YWM4OTliMTllYzViYWVlNmU1Y2M4YzNjOWM3ZTYzZmFjNWNlYjY1OTM1ODU1NjhkYWJmZjBlMTE4MDY6cDpUOlQ
> He said (not literally, but in effect) that the PTO isn't doing a damn
> thing. Apparently if a law has any costs to the PTO or limits PTO
> action, the law can go fly a kite, with the blessing of the PTO's
> chief ethics officer.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 9:15 AM Vivek Ramachandran via Patentcenter
> <patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>
> More likely it's just incompetence. The current view is security
> by locking down access to public data. They shut down more than
> the assingments. The entire PEDS system was turned off.
>
> They should have separated the two systems from get go. One stores
> data that is public and one stores data that is non-public. Turns
> out they were using access control from the same database. To fix
> this, they would have had to replicate their expensive system.
> Instead they chose to shut it all down. Rate limit patent center
> to prevent leaks. It's security by hampering data access.
>
> Seems to be why we have to put up with a suboptimal system.
>
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 7:42 AM Dan Feigelson via Patentcenter
> <patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>
> Suzannah, I buy the "planned obsolescence" explanation of
> Microsoft/PC manufacturers doing what they do. I've said for a
> long time that Word 2.0 worked just great for what I usually
> do. As did Windows XP, which was the first version of Windows
> that was almost good as the original Mac OS.
>
> But PatentCrapper is not a mass-market program, it's made for
> exactly one client, the USPTO, made to specifications set by
> the USPTO - just like ePCT is made only for WIPO, to specs set
> by WIPO. And yet the folks running and programming ePCT don't
> seem to be operating on a planned obsolescence model.
>
> The fact that patent crapper is so bad, despite input from
> those of us who use it, means that (a) the people in charge of
> IT at the USPTO are incredibly stupid (b) the people in charge
> of IT at the USPTO don't care, (c) the programmers have a
> contract that effectively makes them immune from getting
> dinged for bad work. Of course, those three things are not
> mutually exclusive. And I think Carl has in the past explained
> how (c) is a possibility (viz. federal government requirements
> for contractors that insure that only big, clunky vendors can
> even bid for USPTO IT contracts).
>
> Dan
>
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 3:08 PM Suzannah K. Sundby
> <suzannah at canadylortz.com> wrote:
>
> > why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
>
> To guarantee their employment… if a program/system is
> ‘perfect’ and can’t be improved upon, they will no longer
> be needed.
>
> I suspect this is the same for most all software programmers.
>
> In fact, I think software programmers, computer hardware
> mfrs, and hackers are all in cahoots with each other…
> Think about it… over the last 10 or more years, not much
> is different wrt to, e.g., MS Word and its functions,
> except for its appearance/interface… but the programmers
> keep making new versions claiming its new and improved.The
> newer version, however, often removes a prior function or
> two… yet the newer version requires more RAM and ROM…
> which then requires one to get a new computer with
> sufficient RAM and ROM… which, ‘lo and behold, the new
> computer’s operating system and/or the newer version of
> software has virus/hacker vulnerabilities (shocker), which
> requires patches etc. which require more RAM and ROM… and
> btw now the new computer and newer version of software
> doesn’t work seamlessly with some of your other software
> programs… so you have to get the newer versions of those
> other software programs… and ‘round n ‘round… meanwhile
> all the newer versions of software only allow annual
> subscription licenses whereby they can charge you more…
> and force you to upgrade to the next newer version of the
> software which subscription costs even more.
>
> Suzannah K. Sundby
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> *Dan Feigelson via Patentcenter
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:16 AM
> *To:* Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
> *Cc:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>; For patent
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> *Subject:* Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do
> uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
>
> But I can see assignment data for unpublished
> applications, so they didn't cut ALL access to assignment
> data from PC.
>
> If you're saying they cut off assignment access for all
> publicly visible applications, that's a possible
> explanation, but doesn't answer my question. Except that,
> if true, it means they're just lazy and/or incompetent.
>
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 1:04 PM Randall Svihla
> <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com> wrote:
>
> My guess is that they figured that if they don't allow
> any assignment data to be displayed via Patent Center,
> they can't have another data leak of assignment data
> for unpublished applications.
>
> *From:* Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:01 AM
> *To:* Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
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> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] why do uspto
> programmers design inefficiency into the system?
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> Sounds like an excuse, not a reason.
>
> Can someone explain why the ONLY way to fix the issue
> behind the data leak was to prevent practitioners from
> seeing assignment data for their own published cases
> in PC?
>
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 12:55 PM Randall Svihla
> <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com> wrote:
>
> Because of the assignment data leak last year.
>
> *From:* Patentpractice
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> Behalf Of *Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 5:49 AM
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> *Subject:* [Patentpractice] why do uspto
> programmers design inefficiency into the system?
>
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> I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my
> cases, and I want to see the assignment
> information they have on record. When I click on
> "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying,
> "Patent Center only displays assignment
> information for non-public applications to user
> authorized to access the application. This
> application is open to the public. Please use
> Assignment Search to search assignment information
> for applications open to the public.
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> Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see
> the assignment info for my *un*published
> applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the
> notice was /trying/ to say, "The application
> you're looking at has published, so we're not
> making assignment information available to you in
> Patent Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah
> nyeah nyeah."
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> Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the
> week with Mike Richardson and WIPO regarding the
> applicant email field in ePCT...
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 13:56:48 +0000
From: Erin Geraghty <Erin.Geraghty at FisherBroyles.com>
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Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [External Sender] why do uspto programmers
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Unfortunately, sometimes it is not even in assignment center, even when you have the NORA in hand. I called and asked about this a few months ago, and they said yes, it happens sometimes and not to worry about it if I had the NORA. I tried to explain that this is problematic, and they didn’t want to hear it.
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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2025 5:49 AM
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Cc: Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com>
Subject: [External Sender][Patentcenter] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to see the assignment information they have on record. When I click on "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to the public. https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzoyNjk0OjczMWVmZmM1MWQwYTRjMzE4MmI2ZDNjMDI1ZTYxNWM2Y2JhYTQ2YjE5ZTk0YWUyYjEyZTBmZWY2NmY1MjE4M2Y6cDpUOlQ<https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/A7dzwq?z=myyux-8F__lhkflok.w.fk.i.xjsingy7.htr_yw_hq_vI1HyL*~*1pzo7bqKkqkyyck3Py27Ec*~*ufODD/yGw4Ap-/K3OmWC9VmcAPLCCDh8QWPho1a9-7IWSk6FKlSYPpg95chkmyXXZ-7I9Ix*~*2Ti6kzbx1PNo*~2*NwhTh3g555yMzIYZVIkxlI46FnQUziN5Ix9ivTf3GZ-/KfnqDfPhr/3FjfhIgwNCq9f8VoiDbH-/KI5ira8JYW2AxMX3-/Kqqh/-7IKSKVyJUfD7u/TDjT0gZ9b0n52WV0DVygVJ9BXLM7EQxyrg98SP8xHshOpqFrTAvZYrK9iOL3CHO-/KJw3Dqyhoc80F3IWYv0OWCF/Mh5JwWB/aJFvzqqoA4rCA66piXqoKxxsLjCx&i=IBRKfV&h=jzL4xyhfYIqqAnrJSbgao2wBvTk-A/F_Hiuls0knnRR&w=qfJ7*~*PqFYBhq*~*1rX-z-q1TBWEZB1p5fBvoEXn8ztiRh&r=3YMqqE0kBnwaMZsv7Y1SaZpbgPjQ9QsC3gGY2mgCnyT-KNOzIB7aYi8Spmut8T5Y&x=l5Gyc3SQu6mvKyJc*~*9848rtCuMr6rRw-kI*~*6VybOBwt&j=___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzplMDZhOjFlMDkxY2ZmMjUxNzljMzk3YjEwNmRkZDA5YjU4ZDY5MTQxZGQ1NmEwNmUwYTg1YmE4ZjI1NjhkMGU3NjRkMWM6cDpUOlQ>".
Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for my unpublished applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice was trying to say, "The application you're looking at has published, so we're not making assignment information available to you in Patent Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike Richardson and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
Dan
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:23:11 +0300
From: "Dan Feigelson" <djf at iliplaw.com>
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Cc: "Vivek Ramachandran" <vivramachandran at gmail.com>, "For patent
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Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
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Thank you. That makes sense from a technical perspective (at least to
someone who is not an IT person).
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 4:16 PM Vivek Ramachandran via Patentcenter <
patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
> More likely it's just incompetence. The current view is security by
> locking down access to public data. They shut down more than the
> assingments. The entire PEDS system was turned off.
>
> They should have separated the two systems from get go. One stores data
> that is public and one stores data that is non-public. Turns out they were
> using access control from the same database. To fix this, they would have
> had to replicate their expensive system. Instead they chose to shut it all
> down. Rate limit patent center to prevent leaks. It's security by hampering
> data access.
>
> Seems to be why we have to put up with a suboptimal system.
>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 08:48:26 -0600
From: Carl Oppedahl <carl at oppedahl.com>
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legal "advice." <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>, users of
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Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers
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I note that the person who posted the original message here posted it to
two listservs -- patentpractice and patentcenter.
The practical result is that most people are receiving every message and
every subsequent message twice.
Fortunately our listserv hosting platform uses recycled electrons, so
the result is not the felling of twice as many trees.
On 6/26/2025 3:49 AM, Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice wrote:
> I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want
> to see the assignment information they have on record. When I click
> on "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only
> displays assignment information for non-public applications to user
> authorized to access the application. This application is open to the
> public. Please use Assignment Search to search assignment information
> for applications open to the public.
> https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzoyYmY5OmRiYmMyZjdkN2FjMzk2YjNiMWE1MGVjNjYyM2I0NmQ2NWNiODY4YmZjMjA2NjZjYmIxZTE3OTg5ODFjYmVhMzM6cDpUOlQ
> <https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://gcfagjf.r.af.d.sendibt2.com/ywdhqd-Jr15y54GvnG54PLN1Ab3ncD-u-fJoC_yMqghO5jAIBIvNb1yvcqg0sNpQ-c1iBW-vFmU04txX2IlJjctqtCRBxPCqc4MbZ/hz-B1AFymQmQR/Sr9vVxISnmZPJ2AXAwL1bCnxolohysBNSlo5Rlq1ABIpcIckcp2KmP1Ja7E0ScwoUBtY/zROtCfHT*~*z7E4vYFbauNmpnYrGywYQtAHnpL5if6HbrcQU/I/bTiI/DfSiHS_ilGiTjV61_A5wXU4/KSZramHPbYtwt*~*B9yhi50ZrKziox4xsQpS06Z*~*5hS4g_UCaTEkHL4KU94a*~*z0ZZ30gSvv-JfFIMyfQhSEo5-B___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo4YzkwOjNiZjIzZGI4YjQ0N2Y2MDAwYmEyMTE5MWQzYjk3MjY2Nzc2OWI1M2Q1NGUwZGU4Y2NlMTFlYmExODJjMGZiYjg6cDpUOlQ>".
>
>
> Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info
> for my *un*published applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the
> notice was /trying/ to say, "The application you're looking at has
> published, so we're not making assignment information available to you
> in Patent Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
>
> Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike
> Richardson and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
>
> Dan
>
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 15:05:59 +0000
From: Katherine Koenig <katherine at koenigipworks.com>
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Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [External Sender] why do uspto programmers
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Erin, they told me the same thing when I’d asked about assignments not appearing in the reel/frame (or other) search. I’m paraphrasing, but the response was something like, “if you received a notice of recordation with a reel/frame number, it’s been recorded. It doesn’t matter that the public can’t see it.”
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Cc: Erin Geraghty <Erin.Geraghty at FisherBroyles.com>
Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [External Sender] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
Unfortunately, sometimes it is not even in assignment center, even when you have the NORA in hand. I called and asked about this a few months ago, and they said yes, it happens sometimes and not to worry about it if I had the NORA. I tried to explain that this is problematic, and they didn’t want to hear it.
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Subject: [External Sender][Patentcenter] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to see the assignment information they have on record. When I click on "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to the public. https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo3MWI0OjJjNWU3MzI2YWM1NWE0ODI1ZDc5NjdmOGE5ODZmZWRjZGVlYmUyZGEzMmY4OGNkYmI0NGNhMDU3M2JkMDU2ODY6cDpUOlQ<https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/A7dzwq?z=myyux-8F__lhkflok.w.fk.i.xjsingy7.htr_yw_hq_vI1HyL*~*1pzo7bqKkqkyyck3Py27Ec*~*ufODD/yGw4Ap-/K3OmWC9VmcAPLCCDh8QWPho1a9-7IWSk6FKlSYPpg95chkmyXXZ-7I9Ix*~*2Ti6kzbx1PNo*~2*NwhTh3g555yMzIYZVIkxlI46FnQUziN5Ix9ivTf3GZ-/KfnqDfPhr/3FjfhIgwNCq9f8VoiDbH-/KI5ira8JYW2AxMX3-/Kqqh/-7IKSKVyJUfD7u/TDjT0gZ9b0n52WV0DVygVJ9BXLM7EQxyrg98SP8xHshOpqFrTAvZYrK9iOL3CHO-/KJw3Dqyhoc80F3IWYv0OWCF/Mh5JwWB/aJFvzqqoA4rCA66piXqoKxxsLjCx&i=IBRKfV&h=jzL4xyhfYIqqAnrJSbgao2wBvTk-A/F_Hiuls0knnRR&w=qfJ7*~*PqFYBhq*~*1rX-z-q1TBWEZB1p5fBvoEXn8ztiRh&r=3YMqqE0kBnwaMZsv7Y1SaZpbgPjQ9QsC3gGY2mgCnyT-KNOzIB7aYi8Spmut8T5Y&x=l5Gyc3SQu6mvKyJc*~*9848rtCuMr6rRw-kI*~*6VybOBwt&j=___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzpiNTQ3OjBlN2IwZDU0Zjk0ZTA5MDA0YzNkMjk5YzIyMDQ3ODBmYTE1MzdhMmIzY2MyNzBmZGI0MTIzZjBmNGJkYzJkZmI6cDpUOlQ>".
Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for my unpublished applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice was trying to say, "The application you're looking at has published, so we're not making assignment information available to you in Patent Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike Richardson and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
Dan
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 09:14:20 -0600
From: Carl Oppedahl <carl at oppedahl.com>
To: For bug "reports," feature "requests," and tips and tricks about
Patent "Center." <patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [External Sender] why do uspto programmers
design inefficiency into the system?
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I am going to delete "patentpractice" from this thread and keep it in
"patentcenter".
At the risk of stating the obvious, if the public cannot see that a
recordation took place, then it serves little or no purpose in terms of
giving notice to the public.
When I was first in practice, the actual meaning of "reel and frame
number" that it denoted a microfilm reel that you could look at by
visiting any one of the fifty or so Patent and Trademark Depository
Libraries. You would get the reel, put it in a viewer, and zip over to
the frame number. And there lo and behold you could see the recorded
document.
This was basically a Distributed Ledger long before anyone had coined
the term. Or bit-coined it.
I wonder if the USPTO now, in 2025, maintains the distribution of the
microfilm reels to the PTDLs.
On 6/26/2025 9:05 AM, Katherine Koenig via Patentcenter wrote:
>
> Erin, they told me the same thing when I’d asked about assignments not
> appearing in the reel/frame (or other) search. I’m paraphrasing, but
> the response was something like, “if you received a notice of
> recordation with a reel/frame number, it’s been recorded. It doesn’t
> matter that the public can’t see it.”
>
> Best regards,
>
> Katherine
>
> Dr. Katherine Koenig
>
> /Registered Patent Attorney/
>
> Koenig IP Works, PLLC
>
> 2208 Mariner Dr.
>
> Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316
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> *From:*Patentcenter <patentcenter-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Erin Geraghty via Patentcenter
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 9:57 AM
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> *Cc:* Erin Geraghty <Erin.Geraghty at FisherBroyles.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Patentcenter] [External Sender] why do uspto
> programmers design inefficiency into the system?
>
> Unfortunately, sometimes it is not even in assignment center, even
> when you have the NORA in hand. I called and asked about this a few
> months ago, and they said yes, it happens sometimes and not to worry
> about it if I had the NORA. I tried to explain that this is
> problematic, and they didn’t want to hear it.
>
> *Erin D. Geraghty*
>
> Paralegal
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> *Subject:* [External Sender][Patentcenter] why do uspto programmers
> design inefficiency into the system?
>
> Image removed by sender.
>
> I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want
> to see the assignment information they have on record. When I click
> on "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only
> displays assignment information for non-public applications to user
> authorized to access the application. This application is open to the
> public. Please use Assignment Search to search assignment information
> for applications open to the public.
> https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzowZmU3OjIzNjk5YjZmNTU1NTk3NTI3ZWRhNzllYjQ1MTBiMmI4YzJmNDVlZDFiN2UxM2JkOWNiNjlmMzA0YzI0NTcwODM6cDpUOlQ
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>
>
> Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info
> for my *un*published applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the
> notice was /trying/ to say, "The application you're looking at has
> published, so we're not making assignment information available to you
> in Patent Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
>
> Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike
> Richardson and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
>
> Dan
>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 18:16:07 +0300
From: "Dan Feigelson" <djf at iliplaw.com>
To: "For bug reports, feature requests, and tips and tricks about
Patent Center." <patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>
Cc: "For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
legal advice." <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>, "Katherine Koenig"
<katherine at koenigipworks.com>
Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [External Sender] why do uspto programmers
design inefficiency into the system?
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Oy.
"It doesn't matter that the public can't see it."
Public notice is precisely the reason the statute encourages early
recordation of assignments, by saying that if you don't record within 3
months of execution and then someone else records a later-executed
assignment before you record, that later-executed earlier-recorded
assignment wins. But why should that interest the PTO?
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 6:06 PM Katherine Koenig via Patentcenter <
patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
> Erin, they told me the same thing when I’d asked about assignments not
> appearing in the reel/frame (or other) search. I’m paraphrasing, but the
> response was something like, “if you received a notice of recordation with
> a reel/frame number, it’s been recorded. It doesn’t matter that the public
> can’t see it.”
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Katherine
>
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 15:23:17 +0000
From: Erin Geraghty <Erin.Geraghty at FisherBroyles.com>
To: Katherine Koenig <katherine at koenigipworks.com>, "For bug reports,
feature requests, and tips and tricks about Patent Center."
<patentcenter at oppedahl-lists.com>, "For patent practitioners. This is
not for laypersons to seek legal advice."
<patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>
Subject: Re: [Patentcenter] [External Sender] why do uspto programmers
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Yep! I really had to bite my tongue.
Erin D. Geraghty
Paralegal
_____________________________________________
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From: Katherine Koenig <katherine at koenigipworks.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2025 11:06 AM
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Cc: Erin Geraghty <Erin.Geraghty at FisherBroyles.com>
Subject: RE: [Patentcenter] [External Sender] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
Erin, they told me the same thing when I’d asked about assignments not appearing in the reel/frame (or other) search. I’m paraphrasing, but the response was something like, “if you received a notice of recordation with a reel/frame number, it’s been recorded. It doesn’t matter that the public can’t see it.”
Best regards,
Katherine
Dr. Katherine Koenig
Registered Patent Attorney
Koenig IP Works, PLLC
2208 Mariner Dr.
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316
(954) 903-1699
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Unfortunately, sometimes it is not even in assignment center, even when you have the NORA in hand. I called and asked about this a few months ago, and they said yes, it happens sometimes and not to worry about it if I had the NORA. I tried to explain that this is problematic, and they didn’t want to hear it.
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Subject: [External Sender][Patentcenter] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to see the assignment information they have on record. When I click on "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to the public. https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo5ZmJmOjBlNjE3MzU0N2EwZDJmNjI4OWQ5YzQ4NThjMmU4ZDNmMDExYjYxZjE2NDY3OGZiM2VlODczN2VlODAyMTIzMzg6cDpUOlQ<https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/A7dzwq?z=myyux-8F__lhkflok.w.fk.i.xjsingy7.htr_yw_hq_vI1HyL*~*1pzo7bqKkqkyyck3Py27Ec*~*ufODD/yGw4Ap-/K3OmWC9VmcAPLCCDh8QWPho1a9-7IWSk6FKlSYPpg95chkmyXXZ-7I9Ix*~*2Ti6kzbx1PNo*~2*NwhTh3g555yMzIYZVIkxlI46FnQUziN5Ix9ivTf3GZ-/KfnqDfPhr/3FjfhIgwNCq9f8VoiDbH-/KI5ira8JYW2AxMX3-/Kqqh/-7IKSKVyJUfD7u/TDjT0gZ9b0n52WV0DVygVJ9BXLM7EQxyrg98SP8xHshOpqFrTAvZYrK9iOL3CHO-/KJw3Dqyhoc80F3IWYv0OWCF/Mh5JwWB/aJFvzqqoA4rCA66piXqoKxxsLjCx&i=IBRKfV&h=jzL4xyhfYIqqAnrJSbgao2wBvTk-A/F_Hiuls0knnRR&w=qfJ7*~*PqFYBhq*~*1rX-z-q1TBWEZB1p5fBvoEXn8ztiRh&r=3YMqqE0kBnwaMZsv7Y1SaZpbgPjQ9QsC3gGY2mgCnyT-KNOzIB7aYi8Spmut8T5Y&x=l5Gyc3SQu6mvKyJc*~*9848rtCuMr6rRw-kI*~*6VybOBwt&j=___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzpiNGUwOmJmNzlkOWQ0MmNiZTkxZTE2YzdiYzQ1NmFhY2NjM2JiYjc3MGZjZDIyN2NiMjhhMTQ0NzBkYzEyZmE2ZDcwYmY6cDpUOlQ>".
Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for my unpublished applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice was trying to say, "The application you're looking at has published, so we're not making assignment information available to you in Patent Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike Richardson and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
Dan
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Oh man, dealing with the USPTO regarding all this is has been ridiculous. Every time I call ,I get switched from group to group because no one takes responsibility for any of it. Trying to get certified copies of an assignment is pure torture.
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Subject: RE: [Patentcenter] [External Sender] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
Erin, they told me the same thing when I’d asked about assignments not appearing in the reel/frame (or other) search. I’m paraphrasing, but the response was something like, “if you received a notice of recordation with a reel/frame number, it’s been recorded. It doesn’t matter that the public can’t see it.”
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Unfortunately, sometimes it is not even in assignment center, even when you have the NORA in hand. I called and asked about this a few months ago, and they said yes, it happens sometimes and not to worry about it if I had the NORA. I tried to explain that this is problematic, and they didn’t want to hear it.
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Subject: [External Sender][Patentcenter] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?
I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want to see the assignment information they have on record. When I click on "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use Assignment Search to search assignment information for applications open to the public. https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://assignment.uspto.gov/ufyjsydnsijC.myrqe78dufyjsydxjfwhm___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6NzpjNDdlOjhiNGE3MTMxOTkxOTk3NzhmNmUzNTI1M2ZjOTk0NDU1MDc2NWRmMTY0YTU1ZTMwMjc1ZjkwM2Q4ZjlmMDE1MGE6cDpUOlQ<https://url.avanan.click/v2/r01/___https://url.us.m.mimecastprotect.com/xd31H0H/DF6shTWD/4H7xVmp_txi?itrfns=zwqijkjsxj.uwttkutnsy.htr___.YXAzOmhwZGxhdzphOm86MGE3YmI3MzJkMTNhMTcwNzQ1MjQ5ZjJmZDU2MmJhNGU6Nzo1ZjAwOjc4YzJiMTdiMjU3Y2VhNGFmMDQwNjc4MThkZmUxZGFkMjNlMDY3ZjU3YjQ4ZjQ5M2MyODdkZmZlMTc5MTQzMmE6cDpUOlQ>".
Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info for my unpublished applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the notice was trying to say, "The application you're looking at has published, so we're not making assignment information available to you in Patent Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike Richardson and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
Dan
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