[Patentpractice] status identifier "withdrawn"?

Sat Dec 7 02:12:12 UTC 2024

David, I do just the opposite.  You don’t have to explain your traverse when you make an oral election with traverse.  That way you get an earlier examination and you can wait to see what the examiner does in examination before you put your traverse on record.  And I took Kayton’s patent bar review course.

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Subject: Re: [Patentpractice] status identifier "withdrawn"?

If it's a statutory restriction (as opposed to election of species), and you elected with no traverse, yes, I think you need to use "withdrawn" (and I don't think you're giving up anything by doing so).

Just FYI.   The 1980s edition of the Kayton Treatise on which I cut my teeth said "never take a telephone restriction"   I never have.   At the very least, you want the traverse so you can rejoin later if the facts warrant.

On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 5:02 PM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>> wrote:

When exactly am I required to use the status identifier "withdrawn"?

I was taught, years ago, that it was up to me when if ever I would use that status identifier.

Suppose there was a restriction between three independent claims 1, 2, and 3 and suppose I elect claim 2.

What I was taught was, I was not required to use a status identifier of "withdrawn" for claim 1 until I was good and ready.

Eventually maybe the time would come that claim 2 gets allowed, and maybe the client would be prepared to suck it up and get a patent with only claim 2.  If so, then I would cancel claim 1 and next thing you know I would get a notice of allowance.

Just now I have the following sequence of events (claim numbers changed to protect the innocent).

  *   Independent claims 1, 2, 3 filed.
  *   Examiner calls on the phone, restricts saying there are three inventions.
  *   On the phone I elect claim 2.
  *   Examiner mails an Office Action, memorializing the election and rejecting claim 2.
  *   I file a response to the Office Action.  Claims 1 and 3 have status identifier "original".  Claim 2 has status identifier "presently amended".
  *   Examiner mails a notice of non-compliant amendment, saying that I should have used status identifier "withdrawn" for claims 1 and 3.

Question.  Is this the Examiner busting my chops with a made-up rule?  Or is it really true that my hands are tied and I had no choice but to give a status of "withdrawn" for claims 1 and 3?
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