[Patentpractice] POA and correspondence/maintenance fee address change after issuance

Fri Sep 26 19:46:21 UTC 2025

Randall did what I should have done -- READ THE REG.

The PTO did amend all the regulations in 2011-12 to make them consistent.
 I'm not surprised that they missed a few in the MPEP.

After 2013, "applicant" is not ambiguous.  The inventor is the inventor.
The applicant is the applicant.  The assignee is the assignee.  They don't
have to be the same!  Each has specific roles, powers, obligations.  If you
are still using "Applicant" at the top of your forms when you mean
"Inventor" then you oughttta fix it.  This is one of those times when the
specific words matter, and it's a really good idea to be pedantic about
which you're using (no matter the errors in the MPEP) so that YOU are clear
about which is which.

On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 3:39 PM Karen Oster via Patentpractice <
patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:

> Many of these problems stem from the term “applicant” not being clear.  In
> the past, it was not well-defined.  Sometimes it meant the inventor.  Other
> times, it meant the assignee.
>
>
>
> The PTO now defines “applicant” inconsistently.  If you file a petition to
> make special based on age under 37 CFR 1.102(c) (… A petition to make an
> application special may be filed without a fee if the basis for the
> petition is: (1) The *applicant’s* age or health …), even if you have
> established at the assignee/applicant (let’s assume another person, not a
> company, who has been assigned the application and listed on an ADS as the
> applicant) meets the age requirement, the petition will not be granted.  It
> must be the inventor, regardless of what the statute says.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Karen Dana Oster*
>
> www.oregonpatent.com
>
> Direct/Cell: (503) 810-2560
>
> karen at kdopatent.com
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>
> *From:* Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Katherine Koenig via Patentpractice
> *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2025 12:26 PM
> *To:* David Boundy <DavidBoundyEsq at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Katherine Koenig <katherine at koenigipworks.com>; For patent
> practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <
> patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] POA and correspondence/maintenance fee
> address change after issuance
>
>
>
> David,
>
>
>
> In theory that would solve the problem, but I really don’t want a POA from
> the inventor.  He’s not my client and I don’t think the USPTO should
> require it.
>
>
>
> Carl, I agree with everything you said about how nuts it would be to
> require a POA from the applicant (who no longer owns the patent) and not
> accept a POA from the assignee.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Katherine
>
>
>
> Dr. Katherine Koenig
>
> *Registered Patent Attorney*
>
> Koenig IP Works, PLLC
>
> 2208 Mariner Dr.
>
> Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316
>
> (954) 903-1699
>
> katherine at koenigipworks.com
>
>
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> *From:* David Boundy <DavidBoundyEsq at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2025 3:21 PM
> *To:* Katherine Koenig <katherine at koenigipworks.com>
> *Cc:* Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>; For patent practitioners.
> This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <
> patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; David Boundy <DavidBoundyEsq at gmail.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] POA and correspondence/maintenance fee
> address change after issuance
>
>
>
> So get one paper that is a Power of Attorney frm both inventor and
> company.  Two signatures at teh bottom -- inventor as applicant, company as
> assignee.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 2:51 PM Katherine Koenig <
> katherine at koenigipworks.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Randall.  I think calling OPLA is a good suggestion.
>
>
>
> David, I see your point about who the PTO will take instructions from, but
> it was my understanding – as Randall notes – that you can’t update
> Applicant by corrected ADS after the patent issues.
>
>
>
> We did record the assignment before filing the POA, and even submitted the
> POA with the 3.73 statement and a copy of the Assignment Notice of
> Recordation to prove the change in ownership.
>
>
>
> I’m stuck:  they won’t accept me as attorney unless I have POA from the
> applicant à I don’t represent the original applicant and they won’t
> accept POA from the owner because the owner isn’t the applicant à can’t
> change applicant after issuance à can’t get POA from applicant à won’t
> accept POA I have.
>
>
>
> I don’t know why they make it so hard.  It seems silly that they would
> still accept a POA from a named applicant, even though that applicant no
> longer owns the patent.
>
>
>
> There should be one master form (or document they’d accept) that says,
> “I’m the new owner of the patent/patent application.  Here’s the reel/frame
> of the recorded assignment.  I am now the applicant/patentee (I understand
> no change will be made to the issued patent without certificate of
> correction).  I appoint this attorney, please send them documents and
> accept documents filed by them on my behalf.”
>
>
>
> Rant over, I’ll post an update if I find out more from OPLA.  I hope
> everyone has a nice weekend!
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Katherine
>
>
>
> Dr. Katherine Koenig
>
> *Registered Patent Attorney*
>
> Koenig IP Works, PLLC
>
> 2208 Mariner Dr.
>
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>
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>
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> *From:* Randall Svihla <rsvihla at nsiplaw.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2025 12:21 PM
> *To:* For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal
> advice. <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>; Katherine Koenig <
> katherine at koenigipworks.com>
> *Cc:* David Boundy <DavidBoundyEsq at gmail.com>; Katherine Koenig <
> katherine at koenigipworks.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [Patentpractice] POA and correspondence/maintenance fee
> address change after issuance
>
>
>
> Hi, Katherine
>
>
>
> You can't change the applicant after the patent has issued.  Changing the
> applicant under 37 CFR 1.46(c)(2) requires you to file a new Application
> Data Sheet listing the new applicant, but you can't file a new ADS after
> the Issue Fee has been paid pursuant to 37 CFR 1.46(c)(1), which states as
> follows:
>
>
>
> (c) *Correcting and updating an application data sheet.*
>
>
>
> (1) Information in a previously submitted application data sheet,
> inventor’s oath or declaration under § 1.63, § 1.64 or § 1.67, or otherwise
> of record, may be corrected or updated *until payment of the issue fee*
> by a new application data sheet providing corrected or updated information,
> except that inventorship changes must comply with the requirements of §
> 1.48, foreign priority and domestic benefit information changes must comply
> with §§1.55 and 1.78, and correspondence address changes are governed by §
> 1.33(a).
>
>
>
> Call the Office of Patent Legal Administration at 571-272-7701 and ask
> them what to do.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Randall S. Svihla
>
> NSIP Law
>
> Washington, D.C.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *David Boundy via Patentpractice
> *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2025 11:55 AM
> *To:* Katherine Koenig <katherine at koenigipworks.com>
> *Cc:* David Boundy <DavidBoundyEsq at gmail.com>; For patent practitioners.
> This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <
> patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] POA and correspondence/maintenance fee
> address change after issuance
>
>
>
> Did you record the inventor -> company assignment first?
>
>
>
> Once you've done that, THEN you need --
>
>      -- change of applicant (that's the thing that's missing from your
> list above)
>
>      -- the other things in your list (you probably don't need "change of
> correspondence address" -- presumably the Power of Attorney is in favor of
> a customer number and the CN has a correspondence address)
>
>
>
> Remember what "applicant" is under post-AIA law -- the one and only person
> that the PTO is to take orders from.  The PTO's CYA has to be "we don't pay
> no attention to nobody else, just 'applicant.'".  If you didn't change
> "applicant" then a Power of Attorney from the company looks like
> instructions from the far side of the moon.
>
>
>
> I know the patent is issued, so "applicant" ceases to have any meaning.
> The party that matters is "assignee."  But you're dealing with clerks.
> Just play the game under the clerks' rules.  This is a case to just let the
> law go -- the stupidity has a zero-down-side work around.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 11:50 AM David Boundy <DavidBoundyEsq at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Did you record the inventor -> company assignment first?
>
>
>
> Once you've done that, THEN you need --
>
>      -- change of applicant (that's the thing that's missing from your
> list above)
>
>      -- the other things in your list (you probably don't need "change of
> correspondence address" -- presumably the Power of Attorney is in favor of
> a customer number and the CN has a correspondence address)
>
>
>
> Remember what "applicant" is under post-AIA law -- the one and only person
> that the PTO is to take orders from.  The PTO's CYA has to be "we don't pay
> no attention to nobody else, just 'applicant.'".  If you didn't change
> "applicant" then a Power of Attorney from the company looks like
> instructions from the far side of the moon.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 11:35 AM Katherine Koenig via Patentpractice <
> patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>
> Happy Friday everyone,
>
>
>
> I’m hoping someone can give me a checklist of exactly which documents I
> need to file to have my customer number associated with an issued patent
> that my client has acquired (after issuance) so it’s visible in my Patent
> Center workbench and so I receive post-issuance communications.
>
>
>
> Patent issued in name of individual à individual assigned to my client,
> “Company” (after issuance) à client asked me handle the case moving
> forward.  Receiving maintenance fee correspondence is really all I need to
> accomplish, but I would also like to be listed as the attorney of record.
> I want to be able to search for this patent in my Patent Center workbench
> and have it appear, instead of requiring me to do a general search in
> Patent Center.
>
>
>
> Below is the list of documents I filed, but they were rejected because the
> person attempting to chance the POA isn’t the applicant of record.
>
>    - POA (PTO/AIA81A) signed by Company
>    - Copy of the Assignment Notice of Recordation from individual à
>    Company
>    - 3.73 Statement (signed by me as representative)
>    - “Fee Address” Indication Form (PTO/AIA/47) (signed by me as
>    representative)
>    - Change of Correspondence Address (Patent) (PTO/AIA/123) (signed by
>    me as representative)
>
>
>
> AAU sent me to the Maintenance Fee Branch, which sent me back to AAU.  AAU
> first said I needed a Corrected ADS (wrong, patent had already issued) and
> then said I needed a certificate of correction (wrong, I don’t need to
> correct anything on the patent).  Maintenance Fee Branch told me I need POA
> from the applicant (patentee) to change correspondence/maintenance fee
> addresses.
>
>
>
> Was my mistake filing the POA and 3.73?  Should I have just filed the
> AIA/47 and AIA/123?  Timothy (and others), thank you for your advice about
> simply refiling the same documents I’d already filed (and maybe that’s what
> I’ll end up doing).  I’d like to avoid this issue in the future by filing
> exactly what will be accepted so my clients don’t think I need early
> retirement 😊
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Katherine
>
>
>
> Dr. Katherine Koenig
>
> *Registered Patent Attorney*
>
> Koenig IP Works, PLLC
>
> 2208 Mariner Dr.
>
> Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316
>
> (954) 903-1699
>
> katherine at koenigipworks.com
>
>
>
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