[E-trademarks] New Search System: used-based field and combining searches?

Mon Dec 4 19:19:39 EST 2023

This search worked:  RN:(6234500 6234501 6234502). A space is treated as OR
(except in the FM field).

Ron Kadden

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 6:35 PM Maria Eliseeva via E-trademarks <
e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Ed, I made the field tag search work, but the when I try to run
> Search 10 AND 15, the field search somehow is not the appropriate mode to
> be running. The amount of time I wasted today on what used to take 3
> minutes is staggering. I am very computer literate, so it is not me.
> Thanks, the Trademark Office.
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> I need to pull up about 20 or 25 registrations for my OA response (yes, to
> send copies of TM registrations to the Trademark Office, it has been
> efficient that way for years). I used to copy/paste all 20 Reg numbers into
> the old search window and that was it. I CANNOT figure out how to do that
> in the new garbage system. I tried the field tag search RN: Reg No. 1, Reg
> No 2……Reg. No. 20, it doesn’t work. I tried putting the Reg Nos in
> parenthesis, it doesn’t work.  Please help!
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> It reminds me of my youth in the USSR when an organization needed to
> report about improving/meeting the goals/exceeding the goals/innovating
> something by Lenin’s birthday/the revolution anniversary/New Year/Victory
> day/Groundhog Day  -  whatever the subject of the report was – it never
> worked as intended or worked extremely poorly. What was the need to dump
> the buggy system on everyone by a certain date before actually making sure
> it works and the users are comfortable using it?
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> Thinking of retirement…
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> Maria
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> *Maria Eliseeva*
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> *From:* E-trademarks [mailto:e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Edward Timberlake via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2023 4:36 PM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
> legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Edward Timberlake <ed at timberlakelaw.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] New Search System: used-based field and
> combining searches?
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> To find records where the current basis is 1(a), simply type the following
> in the space next to "Search by field tag":
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> Sincerely,
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> Ed Timberlake
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> *Board Certified Specialist in Trademark Law
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> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 4:19 PM Charles Luce via E-trademarks <
> e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
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> Maria,
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> New Search is a total dumpster fire.  The few handouts the PTO distributed
> are woefully inadequate.  Through trial and error I finally figured out how
> to combine GS terms, but it will not reliably build sets or download search
> history.  I thought this was a Firefox compatibility issue, but  it isn't.
> Go beyond 3-4 seaches and Chrome won't download search history either.
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> This is really sad.  They've taken a very reliable and powerful free
> search tool and destroyed it.  There could not have been any serious beta
> testing on this.
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> My only consolation is that, unless the examining attorneys are using
> something completely different, they are in the same boat and should be
> howling!
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> Looks like it's back to private search.  I've heard TKO is pretty good.  I
> just hate to charge clients for any private search when for 23 years we had
> a great "free" search that worked.
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> Charles
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> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> on behalf
> of Maria Eliseeva via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2023 1:31 PM
> *To:* E-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com <E-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Maria Eliseeva <maria at patentbar.com>
> *Subject:* [E-trademarks] New Search System: used-based field and
> combining searches?
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> Colleagues, sorry if this has been discussed. I searched the list but
> didn’t find an answer.
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> (I so deeply hate this new search tool, why, just why change something
> that has worked and users have gotten used to).
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> I am working on yet another non-relatedness of goods response. I need to
> do search #1 for all marks for goods #1 and search #2 for all marks in
> goods #2, then I need to find the intersection of the two sets.
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> -       I cannot figure out how to limit search #1 and Search #2 to
> used-based (1(a)) marks. It used to be easy.
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> -       I cannot figure out where the search history is in order to
> combine, say Search 1 and Search 4. Am I supposed to remember which search
> was which number??
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> HELP!!!
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> I didn’t find a decent tutorial or a help tool on the new search page. I
> might have missed it in the overall resentment of being forced into this
> new feature.
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> TIA!
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> Maria
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> *Maria Eliseeva*
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> *Patentbar International *
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> *1-617-332-5800(p)*
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> *maria at patentbar.com <maria at patentbar.com>*
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> *www.patentbar.com <http://www.patentbar.com/>*
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> *From:* E-trademarks [mailto:e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Ron Kadden via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2023 8:21 PM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
> legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Ron Kadden <rkadden at vonmaltitz.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] New Search System: Cannot Reliably Combine
> Search Results
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> The problem may be that you are trying to combine sets with the drop-down
> box set to "Search by field tag." When I changed the drop-down box setting
> to "Search by all," after searching by field tags, I was able to combine
> sets.
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> A better Help page is badly needed.
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> Ron Kadden
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> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 6:00 PM Charles Luce via E-trademarks <
> e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
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> Among the other bugs, an attempt to combine search results 7 and 9 using
> this per the "help" screen:
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> 7 AND 9
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> only prompts one that a field code is missing.
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> MAJOR bug if we cannot combine sets.
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