[E-trademarks] Virtual mailbox address
Ken Liu
kel at gg-law.com
Tue Feb 6 14:44:39 EST 2024
I understand co-sharing offices would suffice as real offices, but they are quite expensive for many start-up companies and nonprofits, so many of which are completely virtual today.
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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] Virtual mailbox address
What if the apartment is owned by an owner of the CMRA and those people become a "timeshare" sublessee entitling them to "occasional use" of the apartment? The owner then drags the mail delivered to the apartment for the sublessees to their CMRA where the sublessees also each have a box and puts it in the respective sublessee's box.
Seems to me, as the saying goes, where there is a will there are relatives.
On 2/6/2024 12:31 PM, Carl Oppedahl wrote:
That dog won't hunt.
To be able to become a commercial mail receiving agency, you have to fill out a form and become accredited with the USPS as a provider of CMRA services. At which point you have to say what address you are using to receive the mail on behalf of others. At which point anybody who does a lookup for the zip code for that address will see a "Y" in the CMRA field. And then the Trademark Office will figure out that the residential apartment is being used as a mail drop, and you are back looking at an Office Action refusing registration because the applicant failed to reveal where they sleep at night.
On 2/6/2024 10:21 AM, Richrd Straussman via E-trademarks wrote:
I am stunned that no commercial mail forwarding business has bought a residential apartment above/near their location so that people can have a fictitious residential address people to use for mail forwarding.
On 2/6/2024 12:00 PM, Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks wrote:
I'm going to start doing that too, or just ask the client to confirm when we provide the proposed details for an application.
But isn't it tiresome that as they are taking 9-10 months to get to applications they are wasting time searching for whether the client used a mail drop address. Roll On federal Circuit and Strike this down!!
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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] Virtual mailbox address
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I've added to my procedures that we Google Map the address the client gives/found in the Corporate database so that we can avoid that. The examiners are definitely doing so.
On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 11:56 AM Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>> wrote:
I just got a refusal for an address which turned our to be a UPS store. (client never mentioned that.)
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Subject: [E-trademarks] Virtual mailbox address
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Does the USPTO accept a commercial virtual mailbox address (not a PO Box) as a domicile address ("where you sleep at night")?
Sorry if this has been asked before. I thought there was a way to search archives of all past listserv messages, but it appears the archive only goes back four months, is that right?
Best regards,
Ken
Kenneth E. Liu
IP/Nonprofit Law
Gammon & Grange, P.C.
1945 Old Gallows Rd., Suite 650
Tysons, VA 22182
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