[E-trademarks] Virtual mailbox address
Richrd Straussman
rstraussman at weitzmanip.com
Tue Feb 6 12:39:00 EST 2024
What if the apartment is owned by an owner of the CMRA and those people
become a "timeshare" sublessee entitling them to "occasional use" of the
apartment? The owner then drags the mail delivered to the apartment for
the sublessees to their CMRA where the sublessees also each have a box
and puts it in the respective sublessee's box.
Seems to me, as the saying goes, where there is a will there are relatives.
On 2/6/2024 12:31 PM, Carl Oppedahl wrote:
>
> That dog won't hunt.
>
>
> To be able to become a commercial mail receiving agency, you have to
> fill out a form and become accredited with the USPS as a provider of
> CMRA services. At which point you have to say what address you are
> using to receive the mail on behalf of others. At which point anybody
> who does a lookup for the zip code for that address will see a "Y" in
> the CMRA field. And then the Trademark Office will figure out that
> the residential apartment is being used as a mail drop, and you are
> back looking at an Office Action refusing registration because the
> applicant failed to reveal where they sleep at night.
>
>
> On 2/6/2024 10:21 AM, Richrd Straussman via E-trademarks wrote:
>> I am stunned that no commercial mail forwarding business has bought a
>> residential apartment above/near their location so that people can
>> have a fictitious residential address people to use for mail forwarding.
>>
>> On 2/6/2024 12:00 PM, Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks wrote:
>>> I'm going to start doing that too, or just ask the client to confirm
>>> when we provide the proposed details for an application.
>>>
>>> But isn't it tiresome that as they are taking 9-10 months to get to
>>> applications they are wasting time searching for whether the client
>>> used a mail drop address. Roll On federal Circuit and Strike this
>>> down!!
>>>
>>> *Janet F. Satterthwaite*|Partner/ Chair, Trademark Practice|Potomac
>>> Law Group, PLLC
>>>
>>> 1717 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Suite 1025
>>>
>>> Washington, D.C. 20006
>>>
>>> 202-486-1578
>>>
>>> jsatterthwaite at potomaclaw.com|www.potomaclaw.com
>>> <https://www.potomaclaw.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.potomaclaw.com/professionals-janet-f-satterthwaite
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>>> *From:* Dineen Wasylik <dineen at wasylik.net>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2024 11:57 AM
>>> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
>>> seek legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
>>> *Cc:* Janet Satterthwaite <jsatterthwaite at potomaclaw.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] Virtual mailbox address
>>>
>>> *WARNING:* External email, do not click on links or open attachments
>>> unless you recognize the sender’s full email address and expect the
>>> attachments.
>>>
>>> I've added to my procedures that we Google Map the address the
>>> client gives/found in the Corporate database so that we can avoid
>>> that. The examiners are definitely doing so.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 11:56 AM Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks
>>> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just got a refusal for an address which turned our to be a UPS
>>> store. (client never mentioned that.)
>>>
>>> *Janet F. Satterthwaite*|Partner/ Chair, Trademark
>>> Practice|Potomac Law Group, PLLC
>>>
>>> 1717 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Suite 1025
>>>
>>> Washington, D.C. 20006
>>>
>>> 202-486-1578
>>>
>>> jsatterthwaite at potomaclaw.com|www.potomaclaw.com
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.potomaclaw.com/professionals-janet-f-satterthwaite
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>>> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com>
>>> on behalf of Ken Liu via E-trademarks
>>> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 6, 2024 11:25 AM
>>> *To:* E-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com
>>> <E-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
>>> *Cc:* Ken Liu <kel at gg-law.com>
>>> *Subject:* [E-trademarks] Virtual mailbox address
>>>
>>> *WARNING:* External email, do not click on links or open
>>> attachments unless you recognize the sender’s full email address
>>> and expect the attachments.
>>>
>>> Does the USPTO accept a commercial virtual mailbox address (not
>>> a PO Box) as a domicile address ("where you sleep at night")?
>>>
>>> Sorry if this has been asked before. I thought there was a way
>>> to search archives of all past listserv messages, but it appears
>>> the archive only goes back four months, is that right?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> Kenneth E. Liu
>>>
>>> IP/Nonprofit Law
>>>
>>> Gammon & Grange, P.C.
>>>
>>> 1945 Old Gallows Rd., Suite 650
>>>
>>> Tysons, VA 22182
>>>
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>>>
>>
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>> *Richard Straussman**
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