[E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming soon

Thu Jun 20 16:51:42 EDT 2024

The inability to save would be an absolutely, screamingly, obvious no-go
for me. I always save before sending the draft for signature. Clients can
always come up with surprising changes.
And this "spread out across a lot of screens" is terribly annoying. It's a
sop not only (as you point out) to the portion of filers who are pro se,
but also probably to people using mobile phones to use the system.
Why the USPTO would design this kind of a business system to accommodate
the "hey, you're bored sitting at the bar, why don't you file a trademark
application!" user - I don't know. [Yes, I'm a 'do everything on your phone
hater'...]
Tim
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On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 3:39 PM Alex Butterman via E-trademarks <
e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:

> That is correct, at least how we tested it. They did have our attorney and
> law firm information saved for easy reproduction in a new application and I
> thought they might be permitting templates to be set up but I didn’t
> experience that with the beta test.
>
>
>
> Actually, when I first got into the beta test, the form was limited to
> just preparing an ITU TEAS+ equivalent (needing to use ID Manual IDs). They
> expanded the application options later on to include 1a and Section 44
> applications but, like Miriam, I was already frustrated with the slowness
> of the application, needing to read through a lot of explanatory material,
> combined with the inability to save and retrieve a draft application so I
> never tested the more capable forms.
>
>
>
> I did a 1:1 telephone focus group call with the later version of the form
> and that allowed the explanatory material to be hidden but the form was
> still spread out across a lot of screens. The print was very large too so I
> guess it could be targeted to more senior people. I’m not recalling other
> aspects of the process that stood out to me.
>
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> *From:* Montgomery, Alexander P. <amontgomery at hinckleyallen.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2024 4:07 PM
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> legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
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> *Subject:* RE: [E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming soon
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> Do you mean there’s no option to save an .obj file? If so, that’s a huge
> oversight and massive inconvenience.
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> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Alex Butterman via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2024 4:01 PM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
> legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Alex Butterman <abutterman at dbllawyers.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming soon
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> I volunteered to be a beta tester of it. As I recall, I was not very
> impressed with it as a practitioner because the new application form seemed
> targeted to non-attorneys with too much explanatory material and pretty
> much only one section per screen. The biggest drawback that stopped me from
> using it was that there is no option to save the data one inputs and go
> back to it later or to have a paralegal draft the application and share the
> draft with me. .
>
>
>
> *Alex Butterman*
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> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2024 4:27 AM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
> legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Carl Oppedahl <carl at oppedahl.com>
> *Subject:* [EXT] Re: [E-trademarks] Trademark Center is coming soon
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>
> Oh and by the way, maybe I missed it, but I do not recall having seen even
> a hint or suggestion of the Commissioner asking the membership of our
> listserv what, if anything, we think is broken in TEAS that needs to be
> fixed in this new TC, nor do I recall having seen even a hint or suggestion
> of the Commissioner asking the membership of our listserv what new
> features, if any, we wished to see added in this new TC.
>
> See
> https://blog.oppedahl.com/commissioner-for-trademarks-responds-to-the-fifty-four-trademark-practitioners/
> in which Fifty-Four Trademark Practitioners wrote to Commissioner Gooder on
> August 7, 2021 asking for some improvements in TEAS, particularly in the
> area of character-count limitations in various fields.  In October of 2021,
> Commissioner Gooder promised that we would get all of our "asks" from that
> letter.  When the beta version gets released, I am confident it will turn
> out that Commissioner Gooder will have kept that promise.
>
> On 6/20/2024 1:43 AM, Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks wrote:
>
> Here is what popped up just now as I tried to prepare a new US trademark
> application:
>
> Trademark Center is coming soon
> We’ve been working on Trademark Center, a new system designed to improve
> your filing experience. This summer, you’ll be able to use the beta version
> of Trademark Center to apply to register your trademark.
>
> You’ll have the option to apply to register your trademark in either
> Trademark Center or the Trademark Electronic Application System (TEAS) for
> six months. The cost to file remains the same in both systems.
>
> Given the disasters of Patent Center and Assignment Center, I feel that I
> can predict with very high confidence that this new "Trademark Center" will
> likewise be a disaster.
>
>
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