[E-trademarks] [Ip-transactions] [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] Chevron Has been overruled by the S.Ct.

David Boundy DavidBoundyEsq at gmail.com
Fri Jun 28 17:29:19 EDT 2024


Another big difference -- agencies are required to either accommodate
minority interests, if feasible -- or explain why not.  Courts aren't.
Courts don't gateher enough input to do the fine tuning and
interest-balancing that agencies do through rulemaking.

Agencies are required to address Petitions for Rulemaking.  Courts have to
wait for case or controversy.

Again, that's the law as it applies to the rest of the executive branch.
The administrative law ends at the front door on Dulaney St.  Don't confuse
the rest of the federal government with the cheating, self-interested
%^&!@(#s in Alexandria.

I predict that it won't take long to realize that courts aren't all that
good at being policy-makers.

On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 5:17 PM David Boundy <DavidBoundyEsq at gmail.com>
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> That's a perfect example of how agencies under *Chevron* have been more
> democratic than (I predict) courts will be under *Loper Bright*.  For an
> agency to issue such an interpretation, the agency had to observe
> notice-and-comment and all the other requirements of the Administrative
> Procedure Act, and all those other laws that you see at the end of almost
> every NPRM, and it could only go forward with at least tacit blessing of
> the President.  Most regs of that form have to go through multiple rounds,
> each modified to meet public concern, and it's only after multiple rounds
> of tuning that they issue as final rules.
>
> In contrast, when courts interpret -- and they're just as capable of
> absurdity -- as a practical matter, there's no public participation at
> district court level, and the only way to have influence at either Circuit
> Court or Supreme Court is formal amicus brief, which is out of reach for
> almost everyone.
>
> Be careful what you wish for, and be careful to compare apples to apples.
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 5:07 PM Suzannah K. Sundby <
> suzannah at canadylortz.com> wrote:
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>> Imho, the decision reduces the risk of Govt tyranny… Federal Agencies
>> interpreting statutory law in an absurd way that bypasses Congress and/or
>> turns the purpose of a statute on its head… e.g., Title IX being
>> interpreted to force schools to allow biological males in female sports.
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>> Has been overruled by the S.Ct.
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>> Whew, that was a long read.
>>
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>>
>> I EMPHATICALLY disagree that "This decision is a start towards a more
>> democratic government!!"  There are things to be said on both sides, but
>> that statement is pure ignorance.  Justice Kagan sums it up -- "A rule of
>> judicial humility gives way to a rule of judicial hubris."  Executive
>> branch bureaucrats have some political accountability, and work from
>> records that are thousands to hundreds of thousands of pages.  Judges
>> don't.  (Yesterday, Justice Alito in *Moyle* patted himself on the back
>> for mastering a record of 1300 pages and a couple hours of oral argument.
>> If an agency had made a major decision on such a thin record, it'd be
>> arbitrary and capricious.)
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>> On balance, I think Justice Kagan looked more carefully at the statutory
>> text and history, looked at a lot more of the practical consequences,
>> thought more carefully, and exercised more judgment.  Kagan notes how
>> Chevron has narrowed since its high-water mark in the late 1990s -- I
>> agree, back then, it was a real problem.  But it self-corrected.  (Her
>> explanation is darn close to my brief   https://ssrn.com/abstract=4520183
>> )  I suggest reading her dissent (starting at page 82) first, then read the
>> majority -- the majority's willful blindness is pretty apparent if you read
>> Kagan first.  (I did it the conventional way, but I was deeply steeped in
>> the case, so I could see my "magical thinking" flashers going off as I read
>> Roberts.  If you're not an administrative law expert, read Kagan first.)
>>
>>
>>
>> There are two classes to whom *Loper Bright *will be genuinely
>> beneficial.
>>
>>
>>
>> First, litigators. Justice Roberts has really underestimated the amount
>> of uncertainty and re-litigation this is going to bring.
>>
>>
>>
>> Second, patent and trademark lawyers.  The Patent Office is a special
>> case -- Congress gave the PTO and its senior executives motivations to
>> cheat that don't apply to any other part of the executive branch.  We need
>> to remember that the level of disrespect the PTO shows to the law is not
>> pervasive throughout the government.  No other agency has the same
>> incentives to tell the law to go to hell.
>>
>>
>>
>> A couple people have asked me whether I think this affects the *Chestek*
>> case.  Maybe way at the margins, but I don't see anything direct.
>>
>>
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>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 11:17 AM Pete Sawicki via Patentcenter <
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>> This decision is a start towards a more democratic government!!
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>> Well, for example, with all their ‘interpretations’ that they claim give
>> then the authority to enact, e.g., their proposed terminal disclaimer
>> rules, IDS rules, etc., we can send comments to their proposed rulemaking
>> and simply state that the USPTO has no authority to do so and slap a copy
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>> My response too.
>>
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>>
>> Question is, how does this affect the PTO's current cheating?
>>
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>>
>> And how does it affect Pam Chestek's cert petition?
>>
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>> DJF
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