[E-trademarks] [Ip-transactions] [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] Chevron Has been overruled by the S.Ct.

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Fri Jun 28 17:34:21 EDT 2024


I have more faith in the ability to petition the courts for grievances than an Administrative State telling me to “suck it up, it is what it is”.

Much like what the FBI has been doing with seizures…

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-fbi-took-an-innocent-womans-savings-linda-martin-fifth-amendment-forfeiture-us-private-vaults-338fa5c0?st=8y9z5we6dm50gso&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“When the FBI took her life savings from a safe-deposit box during a 2021 raid of US Private Vaults in Beverly Hills, Calif., she … received a notice stating that the government wanted to forfeit her money.

The notice’s dense legalese pointed to the bureau’s statutory authority for forfeiting her property…

Confused, Ms. Martin took the first option the notice laid out: filing a petition with the FBI. She later discovered, however, that doing so conceded her property’s forfeitability, leaving it to the bureau to decide if it would give her life savings back as a matter of administrative grace.”


Here is the Petition notice:  Ex.-A-Linda-Martin-Notice-June-10-2021_Redacted.pdf (ij.org)<https://ij.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Ex.-A-Linda-Martin-Notice-June-10-2021_Redacted.pdf>

So, if one files only a petition, and no one else files a claim, your petition will be decided by the seizing agency.

Here is the code/law that is cited: 28 CFR Part 9 | Forfeiture.gov<https://www.forfeiture.gov/cfr28cfr9.htm>
Releases. In addition to the contents of the petition for remission or mitigation set forth in paragraph (c) of this section, upon request of the agency, the petitioner shall also furnish the agency with an instrument executed by the titled or registered owner and any other known claimant of an interest in the property releasing interest in such property.
…
Ruling. Upon receipt of the petition and the agency report, the ruling official for the seizing agency shall review the petition and the report, if any, and shall rule on the merits of the petition. No hearing shall be held.
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Only one request for reconsideration of a denial of a petition shall be considered.
So, the fine print on the petition essentially says by submitting a petition, you confirm your request to have the FBI return your seized property according to FBI’s rules and procedures and that the FBI only returns seized property if the FBI decides the property should be returned.  And since one agrees to proceed with the FBI’s rules and procedures, one essentially waives their 4th Amendment rights.


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Subject: Re: [Ip-transactions] [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] Chevron Has been overruled by the S.Ct.

Another big difference -- agencies are required to either accommodate minority interests, if feasible -- or explain why not.  Courts aren't.  Courts don't gateher enough input to do the fine tuning and interest-balancing that agencies do through rulemaking.

Agencies are required to address Petitions for Rulemaking.  Courts have to wait for case or controversy.

Again, that's the law as it applies to the rest of the executive branch.  The administrative law ends at the front door on Dulaney St.  Don't confuse the rest of the federal government with the cheating, self-interested %^&!@(#s in Alexandria.

I predict that it won't take long to realize that courts aren't all that good at being policy-makers.

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That's a perfect example of how agencies under Chevron have been more democratic than (I predict) courts will be under Loper Bright.  For an agency to issue such an interpretation, the agency had to observe notice-and-comment and all the other requirements of the Administrative Procedure Act, and all those other laws that you see at the end of almost every NPRM, and it could only go forward with at least tacit blessing of the President.  Most regs of that form have to go through multiple rounds, each modified to meet public concern, and it's only after multiple rounds of tuning that they issue as final rules.

In contrast, when courts interpret -- and they're just as capable of absurdity -- as a practical matter, there's no public participation at district court level, and the only way to have influence at either Circuit Court or Supreme Court is formal amicus brief, which is out of reach for almost everyone.

Be careful what you wish for, and be careful to compare apples to apples.

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Imho, the decision reduces the risk of Govt tyranny… Federal Agencies interpreting statutory law in an absurd way that bypasses Congress and/or turns the purpose of a statute on its head… e.g., Title IX being interpreted to force schools to allow biological males in female sports.

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Whew, that was a long read.

I EMPHATICALLY disagree that "This decision is a start towards a more democratic government!!"  There are things to be said on both sides, but that statement is pure ignorance.  Justice Kagan sums it up -- "A rule of judicial humility gives way to a rule of judicial hubris."  Executive branch bureaucrats have some political accountability, and work from records that are thousands to hundreds of thousands of pages.  Judges don't.  (Yesterday, Justice Alito in Moyle patted himself on the back for mastering a record of 1300 pages and a couple hours of oral argument.  If an agency had made a major decision on such a thin record, it'd be arbitrary and capricious.)

On balance, I think Justice Kagan looked more carefully at the statutory text and history, looked at a lot more of the practical consequences, thought more carefully, and exercised more judgment.  Kagan notes how Chevron has narrowed since its high-water mark in the late 1990s -- I agree, back then, it was a real problem.  But it self-corrected.  (Her explanation is darn close to my brief   https://ssrn.com/abstract=4520183 )  I suggest reading her dissent (starting at page 82) first, then read the majority -- the majority's willful blindness is pretty apparent if you read Kagan first.  (I did it the conventional way, but I was deeply steeped in the case, so I could see my "magical thinking" flashers going off as I read Roberts.  If you're not an administrative law expert, read Kagan first.)

There are two classes to whom Loper Bright will be genuinely beneficial.

First, litigators. Justice Roberts has really underestimated the amount of uncertainty and re-litigation this is going to bring.

Second, patent and trademark lawyers.  The Patent Office is a special case -- Congress gave the PTO and its senior executives motivations to cheat that don't apply to any other part of the executive branch.  We need to remember that the level of disrespect the PTO shows to the law is not pervasive throughout the government.  No other agency has the same incentives to tell the law to go to hell.

A couple people have asked me whether I think this affects the Chestek case.  Maybe way at the margins, but I don't see anything direct.

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Well, for example, with all their ‘interpretations’ that they claim give then the authority to enact, e.g., their proposed terminal disclaimer rules, IDS rules, etc., we can send comments to their proposed rulemaking and simply state that the USPTO has no authority to do so and slap a copy SCOTUS’ decision thereto the comment letter.

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My response too.

Question is, how does this affect the PTO's current cheating?

And how does it affect Pam Chestek's cert petition?

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