[E-trademarks] [EXTERNAL] TSDR Woes

Tue May 21 17:25:59 EDT 2024

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From: E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> On Behalf Of Louis Levy - Belles Katz via E-trademarks
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [E-trademarks] TSDR Woes

Anyone else having trouble accessing TSDR?

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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] Challenge Examiner's Reliance on Non-U.S. Websites

I have challenged such evidence with an analogy to Mucky Duck. Mucky Duck relatedness cannot rely on Section 44 registrations because there is no evidence of use in the US. The same should apply to a foreign based website.

May 18, 2024 2:17:05 PM Richard Schafer via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>>:
You should probably review the Bayer-Belmora FLANAX litigation, as well.
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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] Challenge Examiner's Reliance on Non-U.S. Websites
These are cites from a TTAB brief on an opposition objecting to introduction of foreign confusion  evidence.  I did not write the brief and have not read the cases,  but they may be helpful
Double J of Broward Inc. v. Skalony Sportswear GmbH, 21 USPQ2d 1609, 1612-13 (TTAB 1991); Johnson & Johnson v. Salve S.A., 183 USPQ 375, 376 (TTAB 1974) (foreign use of mark creates no rights in mark in U.S.). See also Oland's Breweries [1971] Ltd. v. Miller Brewing Co., 189 USPQ 481, 489 n.2 (TTAB 1975) (use or promotion of a mark confined
to a foreign country, including Canada, is immaterial to ownership and registration in U.S.), aff'd, Miller Brewing Co. v. Oland's Breweries, 548 F.2d 349, 192 USPQ 266 (CCPA 1976). Concerning possible exceptions, see Article 6bis of the Paris Convention; Person's Co. v. Christman, 900 F.2d 1565, 14 USPQ2d 1477, 1480 (Fed. Cir. 1990) (knowledge of foreign use, in itself, does not preclude good faith adoption and use in U.S.); Double J of Broward Inc. v. Skalony Sportswear GmbH, 21 USPQ2d 1609, 1612- 13 (TTAB 1991); See TBMP section 414(13).

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Subject: [E-trademarks] Challenge Examiner's Reliance on Non-U.S. Websites

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Happy weekend listmates,

I'm hoping someone has suggestions for challenging an Examiner's reliance on third-party websites to demonstrate relatedness when the websites in question are for non-U.S. entities.  It seems to me that without a showing that these entities are conducting business in the U.S., the evidence is irrelevant or at least non-probative.  Citations or examples of past submitted arguments are most welcome.

Thank you as always.

Steve Zemanick

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