[E-trademarks] E-trademarks Digest, Vol 16, Issue 26
Crane, Susan
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In my mind, the main difference is that when I rent you a wheelbarrow, the fruits of your labors with it are not mine, but when I license you my mark, your use inures to my benefit, so from a brand perspective, your use is an extension of my own.
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Diane, You raise some interesting points. You point out that retail services require an investment. But so does licensing a brand: typically there has already been large scale marketing and large retail sales by the licensor. These cost more
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Diane,
You raise some interesting points.
You point out that retail services require an investment. But so does licensing a brand: typically there has already been large scale marketing and large retail sales by the licensor. These cost more than setting up a store.
You point out that visiting customers can shop for goods. But licensees pay royalties, so there is also payment.
The licensor is not offering negotiation services or legal advice. The offer to potential licensees is to rent (pay royalty for) the right to use the trademark to increase their sales. How is this different from renting a wheel barrow for a construction site (which is a service)?
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On 2/27/2025 11:26 AM, Diane Gardner via E-trademarks wrote:
I still do not think that is a direct correlation. Identifying branded services requires that you offer those services to third parties. That constitutes commercial use of a mark. Typically, any third party that comes into contact with advertising for the branded services is a potential customer.
In the particular case of licensing here, licensing services are not being offered...a license to use the mark is being offered. I feel that those are very separate and distinct things.
What commercial services are provided to the potential licensee? Clearly the party offering the license is not providing legal services to the potential licensee - that would be a conflict of interest. The potential licensee would have its own representation (perhaps by a party offering branded licensing services).
It appears that it is simply a business negotiation/transaction, not a brand of services commercially offered to potentially any third party. The owner deals only with third parties that want to license the owner's mark. And again, entering into a license agreement is not the same as providing "licensing services." No services are offered to any old third parties seeking licensing services for entering into a license agreement a different party.
How would the mark be used commercially to identify a brand of licensing services? It appears that it is the mark itself that is the subject of the potential license.
So, I disagree that "licensing is to third parties in the same way that shopping is to third parties." Providing branded retail services directly benefits any interested party by enabling retail shopping for whatever goods are made available. The services may include, e.g., setting up a storefront, keeping stock on-hand, displaying items for sale, conducting sales transactions, etc. It doesn't matter that the store may sell only goods made by its owner. That's the distinction between commercial use of a mark for goods as opposed to services.
I do not see how entering into a licensee agreement for a mark constitutes that mark being a brand of licensing services. If any services are provided that are remotely related to "licensing services (and I do not believe that there are)," they are for the benefit the potential licensor, not the potential licensee - therefore it is not commercial use of the mark. This is especially true if the potential licensor has its own outside counsel handling the negotiations/drafting, etc.
If the licensor is a party in an enforcement proceeding, should it also claim "trademark litigation services?" How about "trademark renewal services?" You can see where I'm going with this analogy.
Kind regards,
Diane L. Gardner
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 19:54:18 +0000
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But Kevin, the retail services (regardless of whose goods are being sold) are provided to retail shoppers, a.k.a. "others."
If I cannot silently include the words "for others" after a proposed identification, it usually isn't a registrable service. For example, my pharma clients often propose reciting some kind of in-house research activities. But those activities are not offered to third parties, they simply support the in-house development of the eventual goods that will be recited/branded.
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Interesting that the PTO doesn?t consider the licensing of one?s own IP to be ?licensing of intellectual property,? but one can register ?retail store services? (particularly online ones) when the only products sold are the mark owner?s.
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But licensing is to third parties in the same way that shopping is to third parties. In the latter, the trademark owner is the shop owner and selling its own goods to shoppers. In the former, the trademark owner is the licensor doing deals with other companies.
On 2/26/2025 11:54 AM, Diane Gardner via E-trademarks wrote:
But Kevin, the retail services (regardless of whose goods are being sold) are provided to retail shoppers, a.k.a. "others."
If I cannot silently include the words "for others" after a proposed identification, it usually isn't a registrable service. For example, my pharma clients often propose reciting some kind of in-house research activities. But those activities are not offered to third parties, they simply support the in-house development of the eventual goods that will be recited/branded.
Kind regards,
Diane L. Gardner
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?diane at mmip.com<mailto:?diane at mmip.com>? e-mail CA Lic. No. 196214?? DC Lic. No. 470855??
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Interesting that the PTO doesn?t consider the licensing of one?s own IP to be ?licensing of intellectual property,? but one can register ?retail store services? (particularly online ones) when the only products sold are the mark owner?s.
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Hello list-mates. I wanted to ask if anyone has noticed a new fee associated with the filing of an ex parte appeal in the TTAB. I am quite familiar with the now $225 per class fee for an electronically-filed Notice of Appeal, which appears (with a slightly different name) in the list below as 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(ii), which is from I now see a second fee in item 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(vii) which is $200 per class for the filing of the brief.
Am I seeing this correctly?
(18) *Ex parte appeal to the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board.*
(i) For filing an ex parte appeal on paper, per class$325.00
(ii) For filing an ex parte appeal electronically, per class$225.00
(iii) For filing a first request for an extension of time to file an appeal brief, per application$0.00
(iv) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time to file an appeal brief on paper, per application$200.00
(v) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time to file an appeal brief electronically, per application$100.00
(vi) For filing an appeal brief on paper, per class$300.00
(vii) For filing an appeal brief electronically, per class $200.00
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Thank you for posting.
I guess the source of the fees is 89 FR 91062 (November 18, 2024) which you can see here <https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/11/18/2024-26644/setting-and-adjusting-trademark-fees-during-fiscal-year-2025><https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/11/18/2024-26644/setting-and-adjusting-trademark-fees-during-fiscal-year-2025__;!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!lMgwMRP8VA_6VPCFr-ln1SRGAoOP_bg0BIoZnf_TXiReamOzfnkwho2DEmRNJ4ClVUjkJI_PvabgiLhrS8Eb42ChVvgAwHA$>.
I read that FR notice carefully and did not see any particular explanation or discussion of that fee.? But yes it looks like there are now /*two*/ per-class fees for the filer that needs to pursue an appeal before the TTAB.
On 2/26/2025 6:52 PM, Diane Melnick via E-trademarks wrote:
Hello list-mates.? I wanted to ask if anyone has noticed a new fee
associated with the filing of an ex parte appeal in the TTAB.? I am
quite familiar with?the now $225 per class fee for an
electronically-filed Notice of Appeal, which appears (with a slightly
different name) in the?list below as 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(ii), which?is
from? I now see a second fee in item 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(vii) which is
$200 per class for the filing of the brief.? Am I seeing this correctly?
(18) /Ex parte appeal to the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board./
(i) For filing an ex parte appeal on paper, per class$325.00
(ii) For filing an ex parte appeal electronically, per class$225.00
(iii) For filing a first request for an extension of time to file an
appeal brief, per application$0.00
(iv) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of
time to file an appeal brief on paper, per application$200.00
(v) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time
to file an appeal brief electronically, per application$100.00
(vi) For filing an appeal brief on paper, per class$300.00
(vii) For filing an appeal brief electronically, per class $200.00
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Practus LLP
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 14:20:31 +0000
From: Erik Pelton <erik at erikpelton.com><mailto:erik at erikpelton.com>
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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] fees for ex parte appeals to the TTAB
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This fee (Ex Parte Appeal Brief) was actually part of the January 2021 fee changes from the USPTO. See https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/laws/updated-trademark-ttab-fees-processes<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.uspto.gov/trademarks/laws/updated-trademark-ttab-fees-processes__;!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!lMgwMRP8VA_6VPCFr-ln1SRGAoOP_bg0BIoZnf_TXiReamOzfnkwho2DEmRNJ4ClVUjkJI_PvabgiLhrS8Eb42ChHkqYM70$>
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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] fees for ex parte appeals to the TTAB
Thank you for posting.?
I guess the source of the fees is 89 FR 91062 (November 18, 2024) which you can see https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/11/18/2024-26644/setting-and-adjusting-trademark-fees-during-fiscal-year-2025<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/11/18/2024-26644/setting-and-adjusting-trademark-fees-during-fiscal-year-2025__;!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!lMgwMRP8VA_6VPCFr-ln1SRGAoOP_bg0BIoZnf_TXiReamOzfnkwho2DEmRNJ4ClVUjkJI_PvabgiLhrS8Eb42ChVvgAwHA$>.? I read that FR notice carefully and did not see any particular explanation or discussion of that fee.? But yes it looks like there are now two per-class fees for the filer that needs to pursue an appeal before the TTAB.
On 2/26/2025 6:52 PM, Diane Melnick via E-trademarks wrote:
Hello list-mates.? I wanted to ask if anyone has noticed a new fee associated with the filing of an ex parte appeal in the TTAB.? I am quite familiar with?the now $225 per class fee for an electronically-filed Notice of Appeal, which appears (with a slightly different name) in the?list below as 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(ii), which?is from? I now see a second fee in item 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(vii) which is $200 per class for the filing of the brief.? Am I seeing this correctly?
(18) Ex parte appeal to the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board.
(i) For filing an ex parte appeal on paper, per class$325.00
(ii) For filing an ex parte appeal electronically, per class$225.00
(iii) For filing a first request for an extension of time to file an appeal brief, per application$0.00
(iv) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time to file an appeal brief on paper, per application$200.00
(v) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time to file an appeal brief electronically, per application$100.00
(vi) For filing an appeal brief on paper, per class$300.00
(vii) For filing an appeal brief electronically, per class $200.00
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Practus LLP
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 09:44:11 -0600
From: Kelcey Patrick-Ferree <kpf at patrickferreelaw.com><mailto:kpf at patrickferreelaw.com>
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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] Duplicating applications in the new
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Yes, this is basically what I've been doing, except I'm just leaving a
draft in the Drafts tab permanently labeled "Client X Info" for each of my
frequent filers. That way I have the info prefilled and ready to go when
needed by making a copy of it. I just have to remember to go in and fill
out the reference number for each new application.
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On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 11:03?AM Clarkin, Cheryl via E-trademarks <
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I just filed several applications on behalf of the same client. My
workaround was to:
Start application and save as draft prior to payment
I then went back to drafts, selected the saved draft, and selected ?save
as new draft? under ?Actions?
I then edited the draft to change the mark name and continued to payment
My original draft stays under ?drafts and dockets? but the second draft
that was filed disappears.
I still have the original draft that I can ?save as a new draft? again to
then file another application.
Hope that helps.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:45:23 -0500
From: Diane Melnick <dbmelnick at gmail.com><mailto:dbmelnick at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] fees for ex parte appeals to the TTAB
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Thanks for that information -- just goes to show how long it's been since I
filed an appeal brief. That said, $525 per class is a heavy lift for
clients with limited resources.
On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 9:23?AM Erik Pelton via E-trademarks <
e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>> wrote:
This fee (Ex Parte Appeal Brief) was actually part of the January 2021 fee
changes from the USPTO. See
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Cc: Carl Oppedahl <carl at oppedahl.com><mailto:carl at oppedahl.com>
Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] fees for ex parte appeals to the TTAB
Thank you for posting.
I guess the source of the fees is 89 FR 91062 (November 18, 2024) which
you can see
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I read that FR notice carefully and did not see any particular explanation
or discussion of that fee. But yes it looks like there are now two
per-class fees for the filer that needs to pursue an appeal before the TTAB.
On 2/26/2025 6:52 PM, Diane Melnick via E-trademarks wrote:
Hello list-mates. I wanted to ask if anyone has noticed a new fee
associated with the filing of an ex parte appeal in the TTAB. I am quite
familiar with the now $225 per class fee for an electronically-filed Notice
of Appeal, which appears (with a slightly different name) in the list below
as 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(ii), which is from I now see a second fee in item 37
C.F.R. 2.6(18)(vii) which is $200 per class for the filing of the brief.
Am I seeing this correctly?
(18) Ex parte appeal to the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board.
(i) For filing an ex parte appeal on paper, per class$325.00
(ii) For filing an ex parte appeal electronically, per class$225.00
(iii) For filing a first request for an extension of time to file an
appeal brief, per application$0.00
(iv) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time to
file an appeal brief on paper, per application$200.00
(v) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time to
file an appeal brief electronically, per application$100.00
(vi) For filing an appeal brief on paper, per class$300.00
(vii) For filing an appeal brief electronically, per class $200.00
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