[E-trademarks] E-trademarks Digest, Vol 16, Issue 26
asarabia2
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Thu Feb 27 21:04:18 UTC 2025
But the licensee's use also accrues to the licensee's benefit -
increased sales. The licensee keeps those benefits.
The wheelbarrow is also two ways, because the company renting the wheel
barrow gets rent. So the rental benefits the owner.
On 2/27/2025 12:14 PM, Crane, Susan wrote:
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> In my mind, the main difference is that when I rent you a wheelbarrow,
> the fruits of your labors with it are not mine, but when I license you
> my mark, your use inures to my benefit, so from a brand perspective,
> your use is an extension of my own.
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> *Susan L. Crane*
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> *Group Vice President, Legal*
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> Diane, You raise some interesting points. You point out that retail
> services require an investment. But so does licensing a brand:
> typically there has already been large scale marketing and large
> retail sales by the licensor. These cost more
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> Diane,
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> You raise some interesting points.
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> You point out that retail services require an investment. But so does
> licensing a brand: typically there has already been large scale
> marketing and large retail sales by the licensor. These cost more than
> setting up a store.
>
> You point out that visiting customers can shop for goods. But
> licensees pay royalties, so there is also payment.
>
> The licensor is not offering negotiation services or legal advice. The
> offer to potential licensees is to rent (pay royalty for) the right to
> use the trademark to increase their sales. How is this different from
> renting a wheel barrow for a construction site (which is a service)?
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> Regards,
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> Tony
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> On 2/27/2025 11:26 AM, Diane Gardner via E-trademarks wrote:
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> I still do not think that is a direct correlation. Identifying branded services requires that you offer those services to third parties. That constitutes commercial use of a mark. Typically, any third party that comes into contact with advertising for the branded services is a potential customer.
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> In the particular case of licensing here, licensing services are not being offered...a license to use the mark is being offered. I feel that those are very separate and distinct things.
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> What commercial services are provided to the potential licensee? Clearly the party offering the license is not providing legal services to the potential licensee - that would be a conflict of interest. The potential licensee would have its own representation (perhaps by a party offering branded licensing services).
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> It appears that it is simply a business negotiation/transaction, not a brand of services commercially offered to potentially any third party. The owner deals only with third parties that want to license the owner's mark. And again, entering into a license agreement is not the same as providing "licensing services." No services are offered to any old third parties seeking licensing services for entering into a license agreement a different party.
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> How would the mark be used commercially to identify a brand of licensing services? It appears that it is the mark itself that is the subject of the potential license.
>
> So, I disagree that "licensing is to third parties in the same way that shopping is to third parties." Providing branded retail services directly benefits any interested party by enabling retail shopping for whatever goods are made available. The services may include, e.g., setting up a storefront, keeping stock on-hand, displaying items for sale, conducting sales transactions, etc. It doesn't matter that the store may sell only goods made by its owner. That's the distinction between commercial use of a mark for goods as opposed to services.
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> I do not see how entering into a licensee agreement for a mark constitutes that mark being a brand of licensing services. If any services are provided that are remotely related to "licensing services (and I do not believe that there are)," they are for the benefit the potential licensor, not the potential licensee - therefore it is not commercial use of the mark. This is especially true if the potential licensor has its own outside counsel handling the negotiations/drafting, etc.
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> If the licensor is a party in an enforcement proceeding, should it also claim "trademark litigation services?" How about "trademark renewal services?" You can see where I'm going with this analogy.
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> Kind regards,
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> Diane L. Gardner
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> 2. Re: E-trademarks Digest, Vol 16, Issue 25 (asarabia2)
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> 3. fees for ex parte appeals to the TTAB (Diane Melnick)
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> 4. Re: fees for ex parte appeals to the TTAB (Carl Oppedahl)
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> From: Diane Gardner<diane at mmip.com> <mailto:diane at mmip.com>
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> But Kevin, the retail services (regardless of whose goods are being sold) are provided to retail shoppers, a.k.a. "others."
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> If I cannot silently include the words "for others" after a proposed identification, it usually isn't a registrable service. For example, my pharma clients often propose reciting some kind of in-house research activities. But those activities are not offered to third parties, they simply support the in-house development of the eventual goods that will be recited/branded.
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> Kind regards,
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> Interesting that the PTO doesn?t consider the licensing of one?s own IP to be ?licensing of intellectual property,? but one can register ?retail store services? (particularly online ones) when the only products sold are the mark owner?s.
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> But licensing is to third parties in the same way that shopping is to third parties. In the latter, the trademark owner is the shop owner and selling its own goods to shoppers. In the former, the trademark owner is the licensor doing deals with other companies.
>
> On 2/26/2025 11:54 AM, Diane Gardner via E-trademarks wrote:
>
> But Kevin, the retail services (regardless of whose goods are being sold) are provided to retail shoppers, a.k.a. "others."
>
> If I cannot silently include the words "for others" after a proposed identification, it usually isn't a registrable service. For example, my pharma clients often propose reciting some kind of in-house research activities. But those activities are not offered to third parties, they simply support the in-house development of the eventual goods that will be recited/branded.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Diane L. Gardner
>
> Reg. No. 36,518
>
> _____________________________________________________________
>
> Please note our new corporate address as of February 1, 2023:
>
> Mastermind IP Law P.C., 440 N. Barranca Ave. #6387, Covina, CA 91723
>
> 760.294.5160 tel. 706.955.9666 tel. 803.226.0741 tel.?
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> ?diane at mmip.com? e-mail CA Lic. No. 196214?? DC Lic. No. 470855??
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> USPTO Reg. No. 36518
>
> Please note our expedited mail processing address as of February 1, 2023:
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> Mastermind IP Law P.C., 532 Forest Bluffs Rd., Aiken, SC 29803
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> Interesting that the PTO doesn?t consider the licensing of one?s own IP to be ?licensing of intellectual property,? but one can register ?retail store services? (particularly online ones) when the only products sold are the mark owner?s.
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> Kevin Grierson????
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> Subject: [E-trademarks] fees for ex parte appeals to the TTAB
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> Hello list-mates. I wanted to ask if anyone has noticed a new fee associated with the filing of an ex parte appeal in the TTAB. I am quite familiar with the now $225 per class fee for an electronically-filed Notice of Appeal, which appears (with a slightly different name) in the list below as 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(ii), which is from I now see a second fee in item 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(vii) which is $200 per class for the filing of the brief.
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> Am I seeing this correctly?
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> (18) *Ex parte appeal to the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board.*
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> (i) For filing an ex parte appeal on paper, per class$325.00
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> (ii) For filing an ex parte appeal electronically, per class$225.00
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> (iii) For filing a first request for an extension of time to file an appeal brief, per application$0.00
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> (iv) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time to file an appeal brief on paper, per application$200.00
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> (v) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time to file an appeal brief electronically, per application$100.00
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> (vi) For filing an appeal brief on paper, per class$300.00
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> From: Carl Oppedahl<carl at oppedahl.com> <mailto:carl at oppedahl.com>
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> To: For trademark "practitioners." This is not for laypersons to seek
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> I guess the source of the fees is 89 FR 91062 (November 18, 2024) which you can see here<https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/11/18/2024-26644/setting-and-adjusting-trademark-fees-during-fiscal-year-2025> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/11/18/2024-26644/setting-and-adjusting-trademark-fees-during-fiscal-year-2025__;!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!lMgwMRP8VA_6VPCFr-ln1SRGAoOP_bg0BIoZnf_TXiReamOzfnkwho2DEmRNJ4ClVUjkJI_PvabgiLhrS8Eb42ChVvgAwHA$>.
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> I read that FR notice carefully and did not see any particular explanation or discussion of that fee.? But yes it looks like there are now /*two*/ per-class fees for the filer that needs to pursue an appeal before the TTAB.
>
> On 2/26/2025 6:52 PM, Diane Melnick via E-trademarks wrote:
>
> Hello list-mates.? I wanted to ask if anyone has noticed a new fee
>
> associated with the filing of an ex parte appeal in the TTAB.? I am
>
> quite familiar with?the now $225 per class fee for an
>
> electronically-filed Notice of Appeal, which appears (with a slightly
>
> different name) in the?list below as 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(ii), which?is
>
> from? I now see a second fee in item 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(vii) which is
>
> $200 per class for the filing of the brief.? Am I seeing this correctly?
>
> (18) /Ex parte appeal to the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board./
>
> (i) For filing an ex parte appeal on paper, per class$325.00
>
> (ii) For filing an ex parte appeal electronically, per class$225.00
>
> (iii) For filing a first request for an extension of time to file an
>
> appeal brief, per application$0.00
>
> (iv) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of
>
> time to file an appeal brief on paper, per application$200.00
>
> (v) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time
>
> to file an appeal brief electronically, per application$100.00
>
> (vi) For filing an appeal brief on paper, per class$300.00
>
> (vii) For filing an appeal brief electronically, per class $200.00
>
> --
>
> Diane Melnick
>
> Practus LLP
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> Message: 5
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> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 14:20:31 +0000
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> From: Erik Pelton<erik at erikpelton.com> <mailto:erik at erikpelton.com>
>
> To: "For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
>
> legal advice."<e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> <mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] fees for ex parte appeals to the TTAB
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> This fee (Ex Parte Appeal Brief) was actually part of the January 2021 fee changes from the USPTO. Seehttps://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/laws/updated-trademark-ttab-fees-processes <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.uspto.gov/trademarks/laws/updated-trademark-ttab-fees-processes__;!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!lMgwMRP8VA_6VPCFr-ln1SRGAoOP_bg0BIoZnf_TXiReamOzfnkwho2DEmRNJ4ClVUjkJI_PvabgiLhrS8Eb42ChHkqYM70$>
>
> Erik Pelton
>
> From: E-trademarks<e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> <mailto:e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> On Behalf Of Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2025 3:10 AM
>
> To: For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.<e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> <mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
>
> Cc: Carl Oppedahl<carl at oppedahl.com> <mailto:carl at oppedahl.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] fees for ex parte appeals to the TTAB
>
> Thank you for posting.?
>
> I guess the source of the fees is 89 FR 91062 (November 18, 2024) which you can seehttps://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/11/18/2024-26644/setting-and-adjusting-trademark-fees-during-fiscal-year-2025 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/11/18/2024-26644/setting-and-adjusting-trademark-fees-during-fiscal-year-2025__;!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!lMgwMRP8VA_6VPCFr-ln1SRGAoOP_bg0BIoZnf_TXiReamOzfnkwho2DEmRNJ4ClVUjkJI_PvabgiLhrS8Eb42ChVvgAwHA$>.? I read that FR notice carefully and did not see any particular explanation or discussion of that fee.? But yes it looks like there are now two per-class fees for the filer that needs to pursue an appeal before the TTAB.
>
> On 2/26/2025 6:52 PM, Diane Melnick via E-trademarks wrote:
>
> Hello list-mates.? I wanted to ask if anyone has noticed a new fee associated with the filing of an ex parte appeal in the TTAB.? I am quite familiar with?the now $225 per class fee for an electronically-filed Notice of Appeal, which appears (with a slightly different name) in the?list below as 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(ii), which?is from? I now see a second fee in item 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(vii) which is $200 per class for the filing of the brief.? Am I seeing this correctly?
>
> (18) Ex parte appeal to the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board.
>
> (i) For filing an ex parte appeal on paper, per class$325.00
>
> (ii) For filing an ex parte appeal electronically, per class$225.00
>
> (iii) For filing a first request for an extension of time to file an appeal brief, per application$0.00
>
> (iv) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time to file an appeal brief on paper, per application$200.00
>
> (v) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time to file an appeal brief electronically, per application$100.00
>
> (vi) For filing an appeal brief on paper, per class$300.00
>
> (vii) For filing an appeal brief electronically, per class $200.00
>
> --
>
> Diane Melnick
>
> Practus LLP
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
>
> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 09:44:11 -0600
>
> From: Kelcey Patrick-Ferree<kpf at patrickferreelaw.com> <mailto:kpf at patrickferreelaw.com>
>
> To: "For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
>
> legal advice."<e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> <mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] Duplicating applications in the new
>
> Trademark Center
>
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> <CAOs1ubd9YxiGWOBrTXF_i6O92-yTTdVs2bd-qVv_4PRW6LvYgg at mail.gmail.com> <mailto:CAOs1ubd9YxiGWOBrTXF_i6O92-yTTdVs2bd-qVv_4PRW6LvYgg at mail.gmail.com>
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> Yes, this is basically what I've been doing, except I'm just leaving a
>
> draft in the Drafts tab permanently labeled "Client X Info" for each of my
>
> frequent filers. That way I have the info prefilled and ready to go when
>
> needed by making a copy of it. I just have to remember to go in and fill
>
> out the reference number for each new application.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Kelcey
>
> *Kelcey Patrick-Ferree*
>
> kelcey at rubriclegal.com
>
> Office: 612.465.0074
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 11:03?AM Clarkin, Cheryl via E-trademarks <
>
> e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>
> I just filed several applications on behalf of the same client. My
>
> workaround was to:
>
> Start application and save as draft prior to payment
>
> I then went back to drafts, selected the saved draft, and selected ?save
>
> as new draft? under ?Actions?
>
> I then edited the draft to change the mark name and continued to payment
>
> My original draft stays under ?drafts and dockets? but the second draft
>
> that was filed disappears.
>
> I still have the original draft that I can ?save as a new draft? again to
>
> then file another application.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
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> *Subject:* [E-trademarks] Duplicating applications in the new Trademark
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> Is there a way to duplicate an application in the USPTO Trademark Center
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> after it has been filed? The only links I see are to TSDR and all of
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> Message: 7
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> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:45:23 -0500
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> From: Diane Melnick<dbmelnick at gmail.com> <mailto:dbmelnick at gmail.com>
>
> To: "For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
>
> legal advice."<e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> <mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
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> Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] fees for ex parte appeals to the TTAB
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> Thanks for that information -- just goes to show how long it's been since I
>
> filed an appeal brief. That said, $525 per class is a heavy lift for
>
> clients with limited resources.
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 9:23?AM Erik Pelton via E-trademarks <
>
> e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>
> This fee (Ex Parte Appeal Brief) was actually part of the January 2021 fee
>
> changes from the USPTO. See
>
> https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/laws/updated-trademark-ttab-fees-processes <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.uspto.gov/trademarks/laws/updated-trademark-ttab-fees-processes__;!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!lMgwMRP8VA_6VPCFr-ln1SRGAoOP_bg0BIoZnf_TXiReamOzfnkwho2DEmRNJ4ClVUjkJI_PvabgiLhrS8Eb42ChHkqYM70$>
>
> Erik Pelton
>
> From: E-trademarks<e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> <mailto:e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> On Behalf Of
>
> Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2025 3:10 AM
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> To: For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal
>
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>
> Cc: Carl Oppedahl<carl at oppedahl.com> <mailto:carl at oppedahl.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] fees for ex parte appeals to the TTAB
>
> Thank you for posting.
>
> I guess the source of the fees is 89 FR 91062 (November 18, 2024) which
>
> you can see
>
> https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/11/18/2024-26644/setting-and-adjusting-trademark-fees-during-fiscal-year-2025 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/11/18/2024-26644/setting-and-adjusting-trademark-fees-during-fiscal-year-2025__;!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!lMgwMRP8VA_6VPCFr-ln1SRGAoOP_bg0BIoZnf_TXiReamOzfnkwho2DEmRNJ4ClVUjkJI_PvabgiLhrS8Eb42ChVvgAwHA$>.
>
> I read that FR notice carefully and did not see any particular explanation
>
> or discussion of that fee. But yes it looks like there are now two
>
> per-class fees for the filer that needs to pursue an appeal before the TTAB.
>
> On 2/26/2025 6:52 PM, Diane Melnick via E-trademarks wrote:
>
> Hello list-mates. I wanted to ask if anyone has noticed a new fee
>
> associated with the filing of an ex parte appeal in the TTAB. I am quite
>
> familiar with the now $225 per class fee for an electronically-filed Notice
>
> of Appeal, which appears (with a slightly different name) in the list below
>
> as 37 C.F.R. 2.6(18)(ii), which is from I now see a second fee in item 37
>
> C.F.R. 2.6(18)(vii) which is $200 per class for the filing of the brief.
>
> Am I seeing this correctly?
>
> (18) Ex parte appeal to the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board.
>
> (i) For filing an ex parte appeal on paper, per class$325.00
>
> (ii) For filing an ex parte appeal electronically, per class$225.00
>
> (iii) For filing a first request for an extension of time to file an
>
> appeal brief, per application$0.00
>
> (iv) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time to
>
> file an appeal brief on paper, per application$200.00
>
> (v) For filing a second or subsequent request for an extension of time to
>
> file an appeal brief electronically, per application$100.00
>
> (vi) For filing an appeal brief on paper, per class$300.00
>
> (vii) For filing an appeal brief electronically, per class $200.00
>
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> Diane Melnick
>
> Practus LLP
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