[E-trademarks] keeping things politics-free? (was abandoning remote work? Note Federal telework Act)

Wed Jan 22 00:36:35 UTC 2025

VERY well said Carl! Thank you!

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From: E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> On Behalf Of Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks
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Subject: [E-trademarks] keeping things politics-free? (was abandoning remote work? Note Federal telework Act)

Thank you Don for posting.  As the sponsor of this and a dozen other intellectual property practitioner listservs, I will share my own feeling about this particular topic.  You are quite right that the collegiality of this listserv is precious and important.  Balanced against this is the reality that all of our livelihoods are tied closely to things that happen at the USPTO.  I will invite listserv members to continue to discuss this particular topic, while doing the best we can to minimize as best one can the risk of political polarization in any part of the discussion.

Yes it is a simple fact that if the USPTO management were to try to bring an end to work-from-home, it would simply fail, for many reasons.  One very simple factual reason is that there are not enough chairs and benches in the USPTO office buildings to provide places for the WFH employees to sit if they were all to start reporting to work at the office in person.

I recognize that there surely are members of this listserv who voted for the newly inaugurated president just as other members of this listserv did not vote for the newly inaugurated president.  Hopefully we can find ways to monitor the continued developments about this particular Executive Order, as it relates to the USPTO, in discussions that can be nearly purely factual, doing our best to try to avoid needlessly getting into the broader political polarization that affects every one of us every day.

I probably did not express these thoughts very well, for which I apologize in advance.  But I hope we can avoid polarizing words and tones while discussing developments at the USPTO.

Carl
On 1/21/2025 2:40 PM, Don Stout via E-trademarks wrote:
What is refreshing about this listserve is the collegiality and advice we share concerning trademark prosecution matters, without getting into the mud of national politics.  I ask that we stay in the trademark lane and keep things as politics-free as possible.

Thanks.

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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] PTO abandoning remote work? Note Federal telework Act

Kevin:

That one, the briefs and amici were already ready to go before the election. I’ve linked the ACLU brief here, and also there are 18 state attys general who brought suit separately, along with San Francisco and the District of Colombia.

Ending birthright citizenship cannot be done by EO.  That at least is straightforward. It has to be done by Amendment to the Constitution.

https://www.aclu.org/cases/new-hampshire-indonesian-community-support-v-donald-j-trump?document=Complaint<https://www.aclu.org/cases/new-hampshire-indonesian-community-support-v-donald-j-trump?document=Complaint>

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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] PTO abandoning remote work? Note Federal telework Act

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The current administration has issued an executive order that appears to directly contradict the 14th amendment’s birthright citizenship clause, so I don’t think the fact that the PTO’s telework system is enabled by legislation is going to stop them.  That said, I would guess that either the union or an individual who was told they couldn’t telework any more would have standing to sue to stop the order, but given the squishiness of the actual order, I’m not sure it will be actionable until someone is told they can’t work from home any more.

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Subject: [E-trademarks] PTO abandoning remote work? Note Federal telework Act

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There's more than meets the eye here.  See the link below for "History, Legislation & Reports" from U.S. Office of Personnel Management re: the Federal telework Act.
Born of the invention of enabling technology.  Note long History, rationale and benefits sought, e.g., cost cutting..
Congressional action required to negate legislation which is the apparent intent of the Executive Order?
And, assuming there are grounds to challenge the Executive Order, who could/would bring such an action?
Cat Goe, TM Paralegal

https://www.opm.gov/telework/history-legislation-reports/<https://www.opm.gov/telework/history-legislation-reports/>

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From: Dan Feigelson via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>>
Date: Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] PTO abandoning remote work?
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Cc: Dan Feigelson <djf at iliplaw.com<mailto:djf at iliplaw.com>>

I don't do TM work (not sure how I got on this list), but I can say that from the patent side, they completely screwed up with the offices in Detroit, Denver and San Jose.

What they SHOULD have done, and SHOULD do, is assign the entirety of each art unit to one of their physical offices, and require employees to physically show up for work. It would vastly improve examination quality. For example, all of group 1600 (which examines inter alia pharmaceuticals) should be physically in the same office. I don't care if it's Alexandria or one of the other three, but put them all in one physical office. It would improve training, and it would allow for better retention of institutional memory, which would lead to more uniform and better examination.

That's not what they did, and I doubt that's what they're going to do. I suspect the bean counters look only at the cost of rent of physical office space, and not at the cost to the public of poor patent examination (a cost which is difficult to quantify in any event). And as mentioned earlier in this thread, there's the union, which opposes any changes, and people who don't want to move, which is understandable in the short-term, but not something the PTO should be factoring in. (It's great to be a monopoly and not have to worry about whether or not you're giving the public you serve the best possible service.)

No idea if the same can be said for TM examination.

Dan

On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 9:25 PM Edward Timberlake via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>> wrote:
Also, for anybody not familiar:

The word "telework" perhaps tends to bring to mind a situation where there's a physical building that can house all of the employees but where (at least some of) the employees may have the option of working from elsewhere.

The USPTO has no such building.

If all of the employees were required physically to come to Alexandria, there'd be nowhere for (most of) them to work.

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