[Patentcenter] [External Sender] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?

Thu Jun 26 15:14:20 UTC 2025

I am going to delete "patentpractice" from this thread and keep it in 
"patentcenter".

At the risk of stating the obvious, if the public cannot see that a 
recordation took place, then it serves little or no purpose in terms of 
giving notice to the public.

When I was first in practice, the actual meaning of "reel and frame 
number" that it denoted a microfilm reel that you could look at by 
visiting any one of the fifty or so Patent and Trademark Depository 
Libraries.  You would get the reel, put it in a viewer, and zip over to 
the frame number.  And there lo and behold you could see the recorded 
document.

This was basically a Distributed Ledger long before anyone had coined 
the term.  Or bit-coined it.

I wonder if the USPTO now, in 2025, maintains the distribution of the 
microfilm reels to the PTDLs.

On 6/26/2025 9:05 AM, Katherine Koenig via Patentcenter wrote:
>
> Erin, they told me the same thing when I’d asked about assignments not 
> appearing in the reel/frame (or other) search.  I’m paraphrasing, but 
> the response was something like, “if you received a notice of 
> recordation with a reel/frame number, it’s been recorded. It doesn’t 
> matter that the public can’t see it.”
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> *From:*Patentcenter <patentcenter-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On 
> Behalf Of *Erin Geraghty via Patentcenter
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2025 9:57 AM
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> *Cc:* Erin Geraghty <Erin.Geraghty at FisherBroyles.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Patentcenter] [External Sender] why do uspto 
> programmers design inefficiency into the system?
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> Unfortunately, sometimes it is not even in assignment center, even 
> when you have the NORA in hand.  I called and asked about this a few 
> months ago, and they said yes, it happens sometimes and not to worry 
> about it if I had the NORA. I tried to explain that this is 
> problematic, and they didn’t want to hear it.
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> *Erin D. Geraghty*
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> *From:*Patentcenter <patentcenter-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Feigelson via Patentcenter
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> *Subject:* [External Sender][Patentcenter] why do uspto programmers 
> design inefficiency into the system?
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> Image removed by sender.
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> I'm logged into patentcenter, looking at one of my cases, and I want 
> to see the assignment information they have on record.  When I click 
> on "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only 
> displays assignment information for non-public applications to user 
> authorized to access the application. This application is open to the 
> public. Please use Assignment Search to search assignment information 
> for applications open to the public. 
> https://assignment.uspto.gov/patent/index.html#/patent/search 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gcfagjf.r.af.d.sendibt2.com_tr_cl_qDWCtG6Wkuj28lFflftt9fYKtX2z96paJyy5tBrZvk-5FYJhRx4Qh9vKGxxyc3LRKcjW74-2DRNf1AFgNTKkb409cfhtSSU-2D4Ds6XOd1fu8sWKIj66IrcOcYb000tHuDTUQDfsgDZ1AiLPudI0Ds4dqOaYBU-5FailyaKcm5YAeacDbrIxl4a3Qjdy8C-5FD0dm73ETRXvsHSY-5Fllc5-2DFNFQtEPay2p5OyeOVbU48Vi0XRQVyQtbQE4wSGH2zLstmb43NK3sCncJklAmOvqUTmF4dJGYxCJ-5FErYyltcj93VAYDRTqVJRxA5Hc0ErRw57EAqulljvZmxv11kdSljFssnGexs&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=laE26KlATwcl6WmS-u-lWOwRzUwWk0awqjzSi3uodMc&m=YTHllzVfwir7HUnq2TWN7Uk8bKeL4LnxYbBTXhbxitO-FIJuDw27Td3Nkhpo3O0T&s=g0Bt9YNLp1hqFtE9643Z3moxpHm1mMr-fD61Qt8Jwro&e=>". 
>
>
> Inasmuch as from within patentcrapper, I can see the assignment info 
> for my *un*published applications, it's clear that whoever wrote the 
> notice was /trying/ to say, "The application you're looking at has 
> published, so we're not making assignment information available to you 
> in Patent Crapper, go to Assignment Center, nyeah nyeah nyeah."
>
> Quite a contrast from what we saw earlier in the week with Mike 
> Richardson and WIPO regarding the applicant email field in ePCT...
>
> Dan
>
>
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