[Patentpractice] USPTO taking next step in transition to DOCX

[Timothy Snowden]

Also, even if they did accept it, wouldn't they degrade the DOCX figures 
(because you can't tag the Spec as non-black-and-white-figures)?

I have thought of uploading an Appendix (copy of Spec) as 
non-black-and-white FIGURES, that way it's literally incorporated by 
reference into the application, and part of the application body if needed.

On 12/21/2023 3:47 PM, Stephen M. Nipper via Patentpractice wrote:

> Brilliant, but I'm not sure that such a .docx would pass the upload 
> verification.  For example, there's a defined error/warning for:
>
>     FIGURES_IN_SPECIFICATION Figures have been detected in the
>     specification. Please review and revise if necessary.
>
>
> This has a list of the errors/warnings: 
> https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/DOCX_Feedback_Errors_and_Warnings.pdf.
>
> Steve
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:16 PM David Boundy via Patentpractice 
> <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>
>     So what are the options for passive aggressive compliance that
>     forces the PTO to use the PDF just as they always have?
>
>     Ten years ago, there was a way to open a PDF, and "Save as Word"
>     and what you'd get was pages that were each bitmap images, just
>     stored in a .doc container instead of in a .pdf container. 
>     Totally useless.   Ten years ago, I had a legal assistant that
>     would do that -- which drove me crazy at the time,   Now it's PERFECT.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 3:59 PM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice
>     <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>
>         On 12/21/2023 1:29 PM, Tim Ackermann via Patentcenter wrote:
>         > What if I accidentally filed PDF images of my Abstract,
>         Specification,
>         > and Claims as "Figures, other than black & white"? And then
>         amended
>         > the drawings to remove those accidental images?
>
>         I am migrating this over to the Patent Practice listserv which
>         is the
>         right place for it.
>
>         The Patentcenter listserv is for bugs and feature requests and
>         workarounds relating to Patent Center.
>
>         Now to return to the topic.
>
>         So what we are talking about is the process of submitting a
>         trusted PDF
>         along with the untrusted Microsoft Word file.  The reason for
>         handing in
>         the untrusted Microsoft Word file is to avoid having to pay
>         the $400
>         penalty.  The reason for handing in the trusted PDF file is,
>         well,
>         because it can actually be trusted.
>
>         Except not.  The first thing that the USPTO does with your
>         trusted PDF
>         is dismember it into TIF images, one per PDF page. And then
>         the USPTO
>         carries out halftoning and resizing.  This is the native
>         storage format
>         in IFW.  Later if you click to see your trusted PDF, you will
>         find that
>         what IFW gives back to you as a PDF is not bit-for-bit the
>         same as the
>         PDF that you uploaded.  The PDF that the IFW gives back to you
>         will,
>         among other things, have a non-identical message digest (hash).
>
>         So yes, it seems to me that the filer who wants to avoid the
>         harm caused
>         by the halftoning and resizing would definitely want to index the
>         trusted PDF as "non-black-and-white drawings".  That way the
>         PDF is
>         preserved bit-for-bit.
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