[Patentpractice] USPTO taking next step in transition to DOCX

[Stephen M. Nipper]

Brilliant, but I'm not sure that such a .docx would pass the upload
verification.  For example, there's a defined error/warning for:

FIGURES_IN_SPECIFICATION Figures have been detected in the specification.
> Please review and revise if necessary.


This has a list of the errors/warnings:
https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/DOCX_Feedback_Errors_and_Warnings.pdf
.

Steve

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:16 PM David Boundy via Patentpractice <
patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:

> So what are the options for passive aggressive compliance that forces the
> PTO to use the PDF just as they always have?
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> Ten years ago, there was a way to open a PDF, and "Save as Word" and what
> you'd get was pages that were each bitmap images, just stored in a .doc
> container instead of in a .pdf container.  Totally useless.   Ten years
> ago, I had a legal assistant that would do that -- which drove me crazy at
> the time,   Now it's PERFECT.
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> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 3:59 PM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <
> patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
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>> On 12/21/2023 1:29 PM, Tim Ackermann via Patentcenter wrote:
>> > What if I accidentally filed PDF images of my Abstract, Specification,
>> > and Claims as "Figures, other than black & white"? And then amended
>> > the drawings to remove those accidental images?
>>
>> I am migrating this over to the Patent Practice listserv which is the
>> right place for it.
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>> The Patentcenter listserv is for bugs and feature requests and
>> workarounds relating to Patent Center.
>>
>> Now to return to the topic.
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>> So what we are talking about is the process of submitting a trusted PDF
>> along with the untrusted Microsoft Word file.  The reason for handing in
>> the untrusted Microsoft Word file is to avoid having to pay the $400
>> penalty.  The reason for handing in the trusted PDF file is, well,
>> because it can actually be trusted.
>>
>> Except not.  The first thing that the USPTO does with your trusted PDF
>> is dismember it into TIF images, one per PDF page. And then the USPTO
>> carries out halftoning and resizing.  This is the native storage format
>> in IFW.  Later if you click to see your trusted PDF, you will find that
>> what IFW gives back to you as a PDF is not bit-for-bit the same as the
>> PDF that you uploaded.  The PDF that the IFW gives back to you will,
>> among other things, have a non-identical message digest (hash).
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>> So yes, it seems to me that the filer who wants to avoid the harm caused
>> by the halftoning and resizing would definitely want to index the
>> trusted PDF as "non-black-and-white drawings".  That way the PDF is
>> preserved bit-for-bit.
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