[Patentpractice] DOCX penalty fee question

[Judith S]

I missed that!  Whoever got penalized, want to petition to reverse that
penalty, based on this video?

Judith

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 2:50 PM Randy A. Noranbrock via Patentpractice <
patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:

> Although, if you jump to the 40:28 mark of this helpful PTO video, you can
> hear the PTO answer to this very question:
> https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-resources/uspto-videos/how-file-your-patent-application-documents-docx
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> “Question 4.
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> Will there be a surcharge for preliminary amendments submitted in PDF
> format?
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> No. Preliminary amendments can be filed in PDF format and can be included
> with the initial filing.”
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> *From: *Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> on
> behalf of Dan Feigelson via Patentpractice <
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> I think the issue with the preliminary amendment was that is was filed on
> the same day as the application, and therefore was considered part of the
> original filing. As far as I know, amendments filed after the day of filing
> do not trigger the penalty.
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> Dan
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> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 12:17 AM Goldberg, Judi via Patentpractice <
> patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
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> Does the DOCX requirement/$400 penalty apply to *any* spec amendments,
> such as filing a replacement spec?  I saw the email discussions here that
> the penalty fee was assessed for a preliminary amendment, so I’m wondering
> if we will also get hit with the penalty if we have to file a substitute
> spec?  Does it make a difference if the amendments are in a national phase
> application rather than a utility application, like it is for the initial
> filing (Or will they also assess the penalty fee if we file a preliminary
> amendment?  Hmmmm).
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> PS – I took several of the USPTO’s DOCX “training” sessions, and they
> never mentioned having to pay the penalty for anything other than the
> originally filed spec.  Why am I not surprised. L
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> Thanks in advance,
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> Judi
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