[Patentpractice] Difficulty with Priority Document Retrieval b/w JPO & USPTO

[Carl Oppedahl]

Thank you for posting.  This is very helpful.

On 1/9/2025 9:22 AM, Goldberg, Judi via Patentpractice wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I don’t know if this will be helpful, but a couple of months back, I 
> had a problem with the PTO retrieving a copy of an EP Patent from DAS 
> via PDX. (I got a whole lecture on how the USPTO uses PDX and we 
> shouldn’t mix it up with DAS.L).
>
> Even checking in DAS, it showed the USPTO has successfully retrieved 
> the document several times, but the file history on PatentCenter 
> showed that the attempts had failed (and doesn’t match up with the 
> retrieval dates on DAS).
>
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>
> Anyway, upshot is that I had entered the application number in the ADS 
> to include the trailing decimal, which caused the problem in 
> retrieving the EP patent.The gentleman at the PTO directed me to the 
> attached document, which includes the “Recommended Application Number 
> Format” for the priority application to be listed on the ADS.Since I 
> do mostly national phase applications, including (or not including) 
> the trailing decimal on an EP application number hadn’t come up before.
>
> Anyway, this may have nothing to do with the problems you’re having 
> retrieving the priority document from the JPO, but when you hear 
> hoofbeats….
>
> Best,
>
> Judi
>
> *From:*Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On 
> Behalf Of *Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2025 3:42 AM
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> *Cc:* Carl Oppedahl <carl at oppedahl.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] Difficulty with Priority Document 
> Retrieval b/w JPO & USPTO
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> On 1/9/2025 1:37 AM, Pamela Brisky (Fujitsu) via Patentpractice wrote:
>
>     Hi
>
>     We have had several instances where the USPTO has been "unable" to
>     complete electronic retrieval of priority documents from the
>     Japanese Patent Office.  The USPTO states that they are receiving
>     a message when attempting the retrieval that says "no PDF file."
>     After three tries, they stop and don't make any further attempts.
>
>     I've never encountered this issue before the last month or so and
>     I suspect the issue is on the USPTO end.
>
>     Has anyone else had this happen to them? If so, what country?
>
> And while we are on the topic ...
>
> I expect that for each of these Japanese priority documents, you had 
> already set up "tracking" in DAS, right? So now what you can do is 
> click in DAS to look at the Retrieval History.  Here is an example of 
> an actual Retrieval History:
>
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>
> In this particular Retrieval History, we see that JPO, EPO, and USPTO 
> each did successfully retrieve their electronic certified copy in 
> November or December of 2024.
>
> So now to turn to your Retrieval History for each of your Japanese 
> priority documents ... what does it say for the US?  Does it say that 
> the retrieval succeeded?  Does it say that the retrieval failed?
>
>
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