[Patentpractice] Trump tries to abolish PTO union?
Richard Straussman
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Wed Sep 3 21:06:09 UTC 2025
I have just the opposite experience and find that the informal
environment of being in the same place is more conducive. HOWEVER, that
may well be a function of the people involved - we are all different and
different things work better for different people. I know of people I
have trained who would likely do just as well remotely or in person.
Moreover, personally, I am one of those people who generally cannot work
at home and be as productive as in the office - whether or not anyone
else is there. During the COVID lock down, within a month, I stopped
working from home and was going into the office as usual on a daily basis.
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On 9/3/2025 4:55 PM, Timothy Snowden via Patentpractice wrote:
>
> I have personally mentored multiple junior (including new associates)
> all over the US fully remotely (video). If anything, it was easier
> than in-person. You could cut through a lot of the awkwardness of
> physical presence while still being attentive to facial reactions,
> posture, etc. If anything, it actually opened up more mentoring
> possibilities because they were on their own turf instead of 'on my
> turf', and I could 'visit them' (call them) without invading their space.
>
> I find this beneficial with Examiners as well - I am often able to
> connect with them personally on a video interview because of small
> little personal touches because they are working remotely - office
> touches, views through their window, family touches, etc.
>
> Of course, it's not in person, but I find the shift to remote work
> holistically an improvement: God created the family as the fundamental
> building block of society. Business/work is an extension of that.
> Returning work back to the home as the focal point is an improvement.
> Experientially, the most productive people I know are most productive
> at home surrounded by their family ... once they've adjusted to
> focusing in that environment -- just like we all have had to go
> through process of focusing in the environment of all the distractions
> of an office (they are legion).
>
> And, to Ronni's point, the way this whole thing - regardless of its
> merit - has been carried out has been unjust, unfair, and totally
> disrespectful to all involved, including the 'American people'.
> Patrick Henry's reaction to Article II of the Constitution was scoffed
> at ... his view has been alarmingly born out several times. And I
> think I would be described by most people as a staunch political
> conservative.
>
> On 8/29/2025 1:53 PM, Richard Straussman via Patentpractice wrote:
>> I don't dispute any of those facts/possibilities. But they also
>> don't refute my point about the ultimate benefit to the public of in
>> person versus remote work derived from in person mentoring as a
>> general matter. Also, it is certainly possible that remote work has
>> been one (albeit only one) contributing factor to the negative
>> trajectory in examination quality over the past 20 years?
>>
>> *Richard Straussman**
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>> On 8/29/2025 2:45 PM, Ronni Jillions wrote:
>>>
>>> Remote work has been the norm at least since 1995. Examiners have
>>> moved their homes in reliance on the remote working that was
>>> permitted. This will no doubt be a hardship for many and they will
>>> leave – thus reducing the number of experienced examiners. Not to
>>> speak of the cost of the office space that will be needed to house
>>> all the examiners.
>>>
>>> *Ms. Ronni S. Jillions*
>>>
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>>>
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] Trump tries to abolish PTO union?
>>>
>>> There are a lot of benefits to "in person" work requirements,
>>> particularly for relatively new personnel who can be more
>>> effectively mentored by more senior people in person, as most good
>>> mentoring is informal.
>>>
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>>> On 8/29/2025 2:39 PM, Ronni Jillions wrote:
>>>
>>> One possibility is that the agreement specifically permits
>>> examiners to work remotely. If the agreement is nullified, the
>>> PTO can then require examiners to return to the office. A move
>>> that strikes me as ridiculous if for no other reason that even
>>> when the USPTO in Alexandria opened in 1995, there were not
>>> enough offices for all the examiners.
>>>
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>>> *Scott C. Sample via Patentpractice
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2025 2:34 PM
>>> *To:* Richard Straussman <rstraussman at weitzmanip.com>
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>>> *Cc:* Scott C. Sample <ssample at cm.law> <mailto:ssample at cm.law>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] Trump tries to abolish PTO union?
>>>
>>> What’s the problem ostensibly being addressed by the EO?
>>>
>>> *Scott C. Sample*
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>>> *From:*Richard Straussman <rstraussman at weitzmanip.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2025 1:30 PM
>>> *To:* Scott C. Sample <ssample at cm.law>; For patent
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] Trump tries to abolish PTO union?
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>>> It goes beyond striking: "All Government employees should
>>> realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually
>>> understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It
>>> has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to
>>> public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of
>>> Government make it impossible for administrative officials to
>>> represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions
>>> with Government employee organizations. The employer is the
>>> whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their
>>> representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative
>>> officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in
>>> many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies,
>>> procedures, or rules in personnel matters."
>>>
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>>> On 8/29/2025 2:23 PM, Scott C. Sample wrote:
>>>
>>> See 5 U.S. Code § 7311:
>>>
>>> An individual may not accept or hold a position in the
>>> Government of the United States or the government of the
>>> District of Columbia if he—
>>>
>>> (1) advocates the overthrow of our constitutional form of
>>> government;
>>>
>>> (2) is a member of an organization that he knows advocates
>>> the overthrow of our constitutional form of government;
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>>> strike, against the Government of the United States or the
>>> government of the District of Columbia*; or
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>>> Government of the United States or of individuals employed
>>> by the government of the District of Columbia that he knows
>>> asserts the right to strike against the Government of the
>>> United States or the government of the District of Columbia.
>>>
>>> *Scott C. Sample*
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>>> <mailto:patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Richard Straussman via Patentpractice
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2025 1:12 PM
>>> *To:* patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com
>>> *Cc:* Richard Straussman <rstraussman at weitzmanip.com>
>>> <mailto:rstraussman at weitzmanip.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Patentpractice] Trump tries to abolish PTO
>>> union?
>>>
>>> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>>>
>>> FDR had it right: /See/ Franklin D. Roosevelt, Letter on the
>>> Resolution of Federation of Federal Employees Against
>>> Strikes in Federal Service Online by Gerhard Peters and John
>>> T. Woolley, The American Presidency Project
>>> https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/node/208681
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>>> *Richard Straussman**
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>>> On 8/29/2025 2:03 PM, Michael Brown via Patentpractice wrote:
>>>
>>> No need to guess. It is that union, per the attached.
>>>
>>> Michael Brown
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>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 6:08 PM Carl Oppedahl via
>>> Patentpractice <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is a posting on a listserv that I belong to.
>>> It seems that Trump is trying to abolish a union at
>>> the USPTO. My guess is it would be the union that
>>> the patent examiners belong to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>
>>> *Subject: *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Ipprofs] Trump tries to abolish PTO union
>>>
>>> *Date: *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thu, 28 Aug 2025 13:34:03 -0700
>>>
>>> *From: *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark A. Lemley via IPProfs
>>> <ipprofs at listserv.law.unh.edu>
>>> <mailto:ipprofs at listserv.law.unh.edu>
>>>
>>> *Reply-To: *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mlemley at law.stanford.edu
>>>
>>> *To: *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ipprofs <ipprofs at listserv.law.unh.edu>
>>> <mailto:ipprofs at listserv.law.unh.edu>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Trump just purported to abolish the Patent Office
>>> union on the grounds that the PTO is a national
>>> security agency
>>>
>>> Mark A. Lemley
>>> William H Neukom Professor, Stanford Law School
>>> Partner, Lex Lumina LLP
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