[E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming soon
Pamela Chestek
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Wed Jul 17 18:03:09 UTC 2024
That doesn't explain why you can't do both.
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On 7/17/2024 10:52 AM, Robert Reynolds via E-trademarks wrote:
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> Afternoon, all.
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> Had a very brief video conference with someone from the UI/UX team at
> the USPTO about some proposed upcoming changes to the new TMsearch
> tool. The programmer noted that the push to make things accessible to
> mobile users and to unrepresented or pro se users was a direct order
> from the White House.
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> So, unfortunately, it doesn’t look like the push will be going away
> anytime soon.
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> *From:*E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Tara Aaron-Stelluto via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 17, 2024 11:19 AM
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> Okay, I take it all back. The drafts don’t seem to be available
> anymore once you log off. Stay away from Beta. I gotta go re-do an
> application from scratch now.
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> *Date: *Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 6:39 PM
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> *Cc: *Tara Aaron-Stelluto <tstelluto at bartonesq.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming soon
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> Just bouncing on to this thread to say that I (accidentally) tried the
> beta system today. The save draft at the bottom of the screen as you
> go through the application is actually nice, as well as the ability to
> import your contact information from MYUSPTO. The frustrating parts I
> see so far is that there seems to be only one Address line, so the
> firm name and the address have to on the same line, and also if you
> make a typo in the first use date as I did, you apparently have to
> exit out and go back to the draft before you can fix it. Other than
> that, I agree with everyone who said that this is clearly set up for
> non-represented applicants and there is too much noise for experienced
> filers, but there are certainly a few benefits such as importing the
> address that it would be nice to see added into the legacy system.
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> *From: *E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> on
> behalf of Trademarks Admin via E-trademarks
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> *Date: *Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 9:25 PM
> *To: *For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
> legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc: *Trademarks Admin <trademarks at olinerlaw.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming soon
>
> Just tried out the new beta system. As a paralegal, it is atrocious in
> my opinion. First of all, it does appear to cater to novice filers
> which is totally counter to the requirement that all applications be
> handled by US attorneys. IT requires you to manually go through
> multiple screens and opt out of extra statements instead of just
> allowing you to opt in to extra stuff if you might need (translations,
> geographic significance, disclaimers, etc). It is not easy to tab
> through and add prefilled information from your browser's memory like
> it does currently.
>
> In the attorney's section if you try to import the data of the account
> to save some labor and you are a paralegal, it will fill in the
> paralegal's information so that feature is basically useless for
> anybody other than attorneys preparing trademark applications. I don't
> see that you can copy drafts and replicate for a new filing like you
> can in the assignment center so there does not appear to be ways to
> set up templates to avoid having to fill in repetitive information.
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> The worst part in my opinion is the section where you select TEAS PLUS
> ID of goods/services it basically has the options in a tiny scrolling
> screen with 10 or so options and makes you click next to find your
> selection instead of being to browse a large selection of options and
> click checkboxes for the applicable ones.
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> Not having the obj. file save option is also unforgiveable given that
> it appears the links will only be valid for 60 days.
>
> Any USPTO lurkers here, please do not force us to use Beta. The
> current TEAS system layout and functionality is far superior to this
> system. There are a few things that would actually improve our
> experience such as being able to set up templates for frequent clients
> and have it auto-fill in the attorney information and all of these
> things I think could be implemented easily without having to revamp
> the entire platform. None of these improvements were included, and the
> functionality is vastly worse.
>
> Also, as an active Patent Center user I can attest to what a disaster
> it has been and don't have high hopes for this Beta system getting any
> better. I really hope this system doesn't replace the old one anytime
> soon.
>
> Trademark Paralegal
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> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 8:37 PM Alex Butterman via E-trademarks
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
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> I saw that feature in the trial, but it was not operational for us.
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> *Sent:* Thursday, July 4, 2024 3:31 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming
> soon
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> Paul—
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> Do you know if the drafts of people you “sponsor” (i.e., your
> staff) are also available at your account? If so—sounds like an
> improvement. If not, sounds even less useful?
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> *Sent:* Thursday, July 4, 2024 2:15 PM
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> *Cc:* Paul Supnik <paul at supnik.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming
> soon
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> Actually, the lack of being able to save an .obj file is not an
> issue with the Trademark Center Beta. If you go to the Trademark
> Center home page, there are 4 tabs at the top. The third tab is
> “Drafts and docket” where you can find your applications where you
> left off. Frankly, it is a lot easier than saving a download of
> the .obj file (and remembering always to do so) and then trying to
> find the downloaded .obj file you saved.
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> *From:*E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Alex Butterman via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2024 1:37 PM
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> *Cc:* Alex Butterman <abutterman at dbllawyers.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming
> soon
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> That is correct, at least how we tested it. They did have our
> attorney and law firm information saved for easy reproduction in a
> new application and I thought they might be permitting templates
> to be set up but I didn’t experience that with the beta test.
>
> Actually, when I first got into the beta test, the form was
> limited to just preparing an ITU TEAS+ equivalent (needing to use
> ID Manual IDs). They expanded the application options later on to
> include 1a and Section 44 applications but, like Miriam, I was
> already frustrated with the slowness of the application, needing
> to read through a lot of explanatory material, combined with the
> inability to save and retrieve a draft application so I never
> tested the more capable forms.
>
> I did a 1:1 telephone focus group call with the later version of
> the form and that allowed the explanatory material to be hidden
> but the form was still spread out across a lot of screens. The
> print was very large too so I guess it could be targeted to more
> senior people. I’m not recalling other aspects of the process that
> stood out to me.
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> *Cc:* Alex Butterman <abutterman at dbllawyers.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [E-trademarks] [EXT] Re: Trademark Center is coming
> soon
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> Do you mean there’s no option to save an .obj file? If so, that’s
> a huge oversight and massive inconvenience.
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> I volunteered to be a beta tester of it. As I recall, I was not
> very impressed with it as a practitioner because the new
> application form seemed targeted to non-attorneys with too much
> explanatory material and pretty much only one section per screen.
> The biggest drawback that stopped me from using it was that there
> is no option to save the data one inputs and go back to it later
> or to have a paralegal draft the application and share the draft
> with me. .
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> *From:*E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2024 4:27 AM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
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> *Cc:* Carl Oppedahl <carl at oppedahl.com>
> *Subject:* [EXT] Re: [E-trademarks] Trademark Center is coming soon
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> Oh and by the way, maybe I missed it, but I do not recall having
> seen even a hint or suggestion of the Commissioner asking the
> membership of our listserv what, if anything, we think is broken
> in TEAS that needs to be fixed in this new TC, nor do I recall
> having seen even a hint or suggestion of the Commissioner asking
> the membership of our listserv what new features, if any, we
> wished to see added in this new TC.
>
> See
> https://blog.oppedahl.com/commissioner-for-trademarks-responds-to-the-fifty-four-trademark-practitioners/
> in which Fifty-Four Trademark Practitioners wrote to Commissioner
> Gooder on August 7, 2021 asking for some improvements in TEAS,
> particularly in the area of character-count limitations in various
> fields. In October of 2021, Commissioner Gooder promised that we
> would get all of our "asks" from that letter. When the beta
> version gets released, I am confident it will turn out that
> Commissioner Gooder will have kept that promise.
>
> On 6/20/2024 1:43 AM, Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks wrote:
>
> Here is what popped up just now as I tried to prepare a new US
> trademark application:
>
> Trademark Center is coming soon
> We’ve been working on Trademark Center, a new system
> designed to improve your filing experience. This summer,
> you’ll be able to use the beta version of Trademark Center
> to apply to register your trademark.
>
> You’ll have the option to apply to register your trademark
> in either Trademark Center or the Trademark Electronic
> Application System (TEAS) for six months. The cost to file
> remains the same in both systems.
>
> Given the disasters of Patent Center and Assignment Center, I
> feel that I can predict with very high confidence that this
> new "Trademark Center" will likewise be a disaster.
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