[E-trademarks] FW: Proposed trademark fees changes for fiscal year 2025, and translation requirement
Pamela Chestek
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Tue Mar 26 14:55:49 EDT 2024
Yes!! I live and die by them. "Downloadable software for ..." There is
no way on this planet that there can be canned descriptions for
everything that software does with the specificity that the PTO requires.
Then there's the hack, since you can't pick the same ID twice, of having
to do "downloadable software for [stuff; downloadable software for more
stuff]" so you can use the Plus form.
Pam
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On 3/26/2024 12:47 PM, Greg William via E-trademarks wrote:
> Also, is there anything preventing the USPTO from changing the ID
> manual to remove open-ended "fill in the blank" language, /e.g./,
> "Software as a service (SAAS) services featuring software for [fill in
> the function and field]"? I'm not familiar with any obligations
> associated with the Nice Agreement.
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> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 12:41 PM Heather Vargas via E-trademarks
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> But you never will because it will cost more than $100 to make the
> argument that may or may not work.
>
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> *From:*E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Sam Castree via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:33 PM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
> seek legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Sam Castree <sam at castreelaw.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Proposed trademark fees changes
> for fiscal year 2025, and translation requirement
>
> There is room to argue. You just have to convince the examiner to
> change her mind, is all...
>
>
> Cheers,
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> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 10:51 AM Laura A. Genovese via
> E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>
> I am wondering how people feel about #14, the requirement to
> translate non-English wording. What if the client has a
> made-up word, but the Examiner puts it into Google translate
> and sees that in some language, what is believed to be a
> made-up word might be a real word. Is there any room to argue
> that the mark is a made-up word, or acronym? Or must we just
> pay the surcharge?
>
> *From:*E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *On Behalf Of *Gordon, Michael via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2024 4:32 PM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons
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> *Cc:* Gordon, Michael <Michael.Gordon at cfraresearch.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Proposed trademark fees
> changes for fiscal year 2025
>
> The NPRM lists 20 elements that are required for a “base
> application,” and failure to provide these would trigger the
> $100 fee.
>
> (1) The applicant’s name and domicile address;
>
> (2) The applicant’s legal entity;
>
> (3) The citizenship of each individual applicant, or the state
> or country of incorporation or organization of each juristic
> applicant; (4) If the applicant is a domestic partnership, the
> names and citizenship of the general partners, or if the
> applicant is a domestic joint venture, the names and
> citizenship of the active members of the joint venture;
>
> (5) If the applicant is a sole proprietorship, the state of
> organization of the sole proprietorship and the name and
> citizenship of the sole proprietor;
>
> (6) One or more bases for filing that satisfy all the
> requirements of § 2.34. If more than one basis is set forth,
> the applicant must comply with the requirements of § 2.34 for
> each asserted basis;
>
> (7) If the application contains goods and/or services in more
> than one class, compliance with § 2.86;
>
> (8) A filing fee for each class of goods and/or services, as
> required by § 2.6(a)(1)(ii) or (iii);
>
> (9) A verified statement that meets the requirements of §
> 2.33, dated and signed by a person properly authorized to sign
> on behalf of the owner pursuant to § 2.193(e)(1);
>
> (10) If the applicant does not claim standard characters, the
> applicant must attach a digitized image of the mark. If the
> mark includes color, the drawing must show the mark in color;
>
> (11) If the mark is in standard characters, a mark comprised
> only of characters in the Office's standard character set,
> typed in the appropriate field of the application;
>
> (12) If the mark includes color, a statement naming the
> color(s) and describing where the color(s) appears on the
> mark, and a claim that the color(s) is a feature of the mark;
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> (13) If the mark is not in standard characters, a description
> of the mark;
>
> (14) If the mark includes non-English wording, an English
> translation of that wording;
>
> (15) If the mark includes non-Latin characters, a
> transliteration of those characters;
>
> (16) If the mark includes an individual’s name or likeness,
> either (i) a statement that identifies the living individual
> whose name or likeness the mark comprises and written consent
> of the individual, or (ii) a statement that the name or
> likeness does not identify a living individual (see section
> 2(c) of the Act);
>
> (17) If the applicant owns one or more registrations for the
> same mark, and the owner(s) last listed in Office records of
> the prior registration(s) for the same mark differs from the
> owner(s) listed in the application, a claim of ownership of
> the registration(s) identified by the registration number(s),
> pursuant to § 2.36;
>
> (18) If the application is a concurrent use application,
> compliance with § 2.42;
>
> (19) An applicant whose domicile is not located within the
> United States or its territories must designate an attorney as
> the applicant’s representative, pursuant to § 2.11(a), and
> include the attorney’s name, postal address, email address,
> and bar information; and
>
> (20) Correctly classified goods and/or services, with an
> identification of goods and/or services from the Office's
> Acceptable Identification of Goods and Services Manual within
> the electronic form.
>
> Want to petition to keep the domicile address out of the
> record? $100 fee, plus the petition fee. Client LLC
> representative enters “owner” instead of “member” on the
> signature line? $100 fee, depending on the examiner. (TMEP §
> 611.06(g) says that “owner” should be okay, but sometimes they
> decide otherwise.) Description of the mark not exact enough
> for the examiner? $100 fee. Miss a prior registration when
> citing prior relevant registrations? $100 fee. I also wonder
> if you can respond to the office action calling for the $100
> fee to argue against the $100 fee or if the only way to argue
> against it would be a petition to the director…for a $400 fee.
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> *From:*E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *On Behalf Of *Ronni Jillions via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2024 4:06 PM
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> *Cc:* Ronni Jillions <RSJillions at browdyneimark.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Proposed trademark fees
> changes for fiscal year 2025
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> I wonder what the USPTO will consider “insufficient
> information”. Is that going to be imposed when in a first
> action, the examiner decides the description needs to be amended?
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> Best regards,
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> Ronni
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> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ackermann via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2024 3:55 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Proposed trademark fees
> changes for fiscal year 2025
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> Here we go: merge TEAS/TEAS+, but use the higher $350/class
> rate. Then add add'l fees on top:
>
> TMIDM does not contain appropriate goods/services for
> your client? You pay $200!
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> Office decides you didn't supply "sufficient" information? You
> pay $100!
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> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 2:22 PM Richard Morris via
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> *Subject: *Proposed trademark fees changes for fiscal year
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> Proposed trademark fees changes for fiscal year 2025
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> adjustments necessary to efficiently and effectively
> administer the U.S. trademark system. These fees provide
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