[E-trademarks] Examiner refusing to discuss revised ID!

Tue Oct 1 00:33:58 UTC 2024

But you have to submit your proposed ID before you file your application.  Once you receive an OA, it's too late, as per the PTO.

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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] Examiner refusing to discuss revised ID!

Thank you !!!!!

Annette

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In a message dated 9/27/2024 4:58:49 PM Central Daylight Time, ed at timberlakelaw.com writes:

I feel professionally obligated to remind anyone who might be interested that if you don't like what's in the ID Manual it's often possible to change it.

If you have particular language you'd like to suggest you can email it to:

TMIDSUGGEST at uspto.gov<mailto:TMIDSUGGEST at uspto.gov>

https://<https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/guides-and-manuals/trademark-identification-goods-and-services-manual-suggestions>
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Sincerely,

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On Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 5:36 PM Annette Heller via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>> wrote:
Many of the manual ids are so specific and not applicable to one use.  The manual needs a major overhaul since it seems to be a compilation of ids used in prior applications and not at flexible.

Annette

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In a message dated 9/27/2024 4:16:48 PM Central Daylight Time, e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> writes:

Yes, they stick to the ID manual. In fact, given these trends, we can expect that those terms may become mandatory, whether by policy or practice.

On Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 5:11 PM Miriam Richter, Esq. via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>> wrote:

Over the past year, I have gotten the feeling that because of the “newness” of so many examiners, they are sticking to the rules and acting like there is no room for discussion – it’s like someone put the fear of god into them if they diverge even an inch!

Best,

Miriam

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Subject: [E-trademarks] Examiner refusing to discuss revised ID!

I think this is the fist time this has happened to me.

I got a pretty dumb ID refusal from an Examiner. I responded, and he went final on me.

His refusal is still pretty dumb,  but I sent him an email with a proposed revision for us to discuss.

He refuses to discuss and wants me to file my official response. I said it was customary and he said it's not required.

Are they on some kind of work-to-rule strike?

I escalated to the Managing Attorneys for help. It is ridiculous to make me file an appeal brief on an ID issue where I still don't know what he wants.

Grrr.

thanks

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