[E-trademarks] second oddity of the day in Trademark Center

[Carl Oppedahl]

Yes it is painfully clear the developers actually went out of their way 
to avoid doing meaningful alpha or beta testing with actual paying 
customers, especially not actual paying customers who serve clients.

There are dozens of places where TC is actively hostile to filers who 
serve clients.  The filing system was clearly designed with one design 
goal and one only: to reduce work for USPTO staff when they would have 
to examine an application filed by a /pro se/ filer.  The idea must have 
been that the /pro se/ filer ought to be forced to trudge through 
laborious screen-by-screen data entry, the goal being to force 
validations and questions upon the filer to reduce how much work it 
would be later for USPTO staff.  And that no amount of labor and 
trudging is "too much". If tacking on an extra twenty mouse clicks for 
the filer and an extra twenty minutes of screen time for the filer has a 
chance of saving one mouse click or one minute of time for the USPTO 
staff person, then that is the correct allocation of burdens.

And if this imposes a massive unnecessary filing burden on the trademark 
practitioner community, who cares?

On 2/8/2025 4:13 PM, Annette Heller wrote:
> That's my understanding.  In my opinion, the developers did not confer 
> or test the program with trademark users to see what was right and 
> what was incorrect.   In my former life before law school, I designed 
> forms and I always had the user review and use drafts before 
> printing.  I would expect program developers to do the same.
> Annette
>
> Annette P. Heller
> Trademark/Copyright Attorney
> TM Law & Associates
> 400 Chesterfield Center Ste 400
> Chesterfield [St Louis] MO 63017
>
> www.TrademarkAtty.com <http://www.trademarkatty.com/>
>
> 314-469-2610 Fax 314-469-4850
> In a message dated 2/8/2025 5:08:06 PM Central Standard Time, 
> e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com writes:
>
>     Today I was trying to prepare a trademark application in Trademark
>     Center.  The click path eventually brought me to the place to
>     upload my
>     specimens of use.  This application has only one trademark class. 
>     I was
>     uploading six specimens of use.
>
>     For each of my six specimens of use, TC requires that I laboriously
>     enter a DOFU and a DOFUIC.
>
>     The developers apparently contemplate that there might be six
>     DOFUs, one
>     for each of my specimens of use.  This strikes me as stupid.  The
>     DOFU
>     does not apply to the specimens.  It applies to the trademark.  Right?
>
>     The developers apparently contemplate that there might be six
>     DOFUICs,
>     one for each of my specimens of use.  This strikes me as stupid.  The
>     DOFUIC does not apply to the specimens.  It applies to the trademark.
>     Right?
>
>
>
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