[Patentpractice] Why should it cost more?

Wed Apr 3 02:28:57 UTC 2024

Inclusive capitalism = women get to have credit cards under their own name
(which started in 1974 in the US), and similarly women get to be inventors
& patent attorneys too.

Judith

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 12:40 PM Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentpractice <
patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:

> Hmm.
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> Confirms my understanding that “inclusive capitalism” = Socialism/Marxism.
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> *Subject:* RE: Why should it cost more?
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> The power is to set fees such that *aggregate* revenue matches *aggregate*
> costs.
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> To justify an increased fee on the basis of foregone maintenance fee
> revenue, is to set fees such that lifetime revenue on an individual patent
> is made uniform, regardless of the actual cost of processing the patent.
> Yet the fees and the costs are not the same for every application – the
> abandoned application is a substantial cost to the USPTO in no way balanced
> by the revenue from that application.
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> Maintenance fees are in no way proportionate to cover the costs of
> post-grant maintenance – I bet those costs are peanuts. Maintenance fees
> are just a way to claw back money from those who have been successful in
> prosecuting their case, and to avoid increasing the charges for filing,
> searching, and examining patents to anything resembling real cost. It is
> near certain that the revenues from a full term patent exceed the costs of
> processing that patent as the fees are set so that *aggregate* revenues
> and costs are balanced.
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> The successful subsidise the unsuccessful. It is all very socialist.
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> Still, the USPTO doesn’t seem to have taken on board the EPO’s trick of
> charging maintenance fees just for staying in the queue waiting to be
> examined: so look on the bright side…….
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> *From:* Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentpractice
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 2, 2024 7:01 PM
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> *Cc:* Suzannah K. Sundby <suzannah at canadylortz.com>
> *Subject:* [Patentpractice] Why should it cost more?
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> I want to know why it costs the USPTO $2,200 more to handle an application
> having a benefit claim that is >5 yrs than one with a benefit claim that is
> <5 yrs and $3,500 to handle an application with a benefit claim >8 yrs.
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> I call bullsh*t on their assertion that the proposed fee will off-set
> foregone maintenance fee revenue… If a continuing application has a shorter
> patent term such that the 11.5 yr MF doesn’t apply, then the USPTO doesn’t
> have to expend the time and effort to “maintain” the patent.  Besides each
> fee is to recoup the costs for the given thing.  Thus, e.g., the
> application filing fee is to cover the costs of intaking/processing the new
> application, examination fees to cover the costs for examination, … etc.
> and maintenance fees are to cover the costs of post-grant maintenance.
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> This and some other proposed fees look like another money grab by the
> USPTO so they can dole out money for, e.g., NASCAR sponsorships.
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