[Patentpractice] Reply period for lack-of-unity finding in US 371 application

Tue Aug 6 20:13:05 UTC 2024

Yes.  Congrats!

Guy

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Subject: Re: [Patentpractice] Reply period for lack-of-unity finding in US 371 application

Excellent result!!!

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Subject: Re: [Patentpractice] Reply period for lack-of-unity finding in US 371 application

Update!

The examiner's supervisor just e-mailed to say that the Office will honor the 3-month reply deadline, and he is going to change the document code in Patent Center from "Untimely (Late) Amendment filed" to the proper code.

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On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:18 PM Krista Jacobsen <krista at jacobseniplaw.com <mailto:krista at jacobseniplaw.com> > wrote:

And, also, 37 CFR § 1.134 states that "An Office action will notify the applicant of any non-statutory or shortened statutory time period set for reply to an Office action. Unless the applicant is notified in writing that a reply is required in less than six months, a maximum period of six months is allowed."

It seems to me that a reasonable interpretation of this regulation is that the applicant is entitled to rely on whatever the Office Action says the deadline for reply is. Otherwise, the USPTO is placing the burden of determining reply deadlines on applicants, which surely cannot be right.

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Krista

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On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 11:49 AM Timothy Snowden via Patentpractice <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com <mailto:patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com> > wrote:

Although practically I would follow Randall's suggestion, this phrase caught me: "I am sure the Examiner is not authorized to change the shortened statutory period for a particular type of Office Action."

1.            Is the 2-months statutorily set? My understanding is that the "shortened statutory periods" are not set by any statute. MPEP 710.02(b) begins with "Under the authority given him or her by  <https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/mpep-9015-appx-l.html#d0e303207aia> 35 U.S.C. 133, the Director of the USPTO has directed the examiner to set a shortened period for reply to every action. The length of the shortened statutory period to be used depends on the type of reply required. Some specific cases of shortened statutory periods for reply are given below. These periods may be changed under special, rarely occurring circumstances." Accordingly, it seems that the Examiner (or at least, some examiners) would be able to change the 'default' shortened periods (shorter or longer) – this is why I always double check what is written in case (so far it's never happened to me) they shortened the default shortened period...

2.	Furthermore, that guidance binds the examiner, not the applicant. Even assuming the examiner shouldn't have changed it, the examiner is speaking with the force of the USPTO Director. Accordingly, the only thing the applicant has to go off of is what was set in the official notice from the USPTO. It seems like there is some rule or court case that when the USPTO makes a mistake that they don't catch until afterwards, that doesn't take away the applicant's rights – maybe in the context of the USPTO miscalculating fees due (USPTO mistake, not based on applicant mistake), and then issuing the patent doesn't make the patent invalid. It seems like this would be corollary, although I defer to better minds there.

Just some thoughts triggered by one short phrase...

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Subject: Re: [Patentpractice] Reply period for lack-of-unity finding in US 371 application 

Hi, Krista

I am a big fan of cursing the darkness rather than lighting a candle.  But in this case I would light the candle.

I am sure that the USPTO's systems have the appropriate due dates programmed into the system, so that when an Office Action or a Final Office Action or a Restriction Requirement is entered into the system, the correct due date is entered into the system regardless of what the Examiner types in the Office Action Summary.

MPEP 710.02(b) states as follows on MPEP page 700-119:

2 MONTHS

(A) Requirement for restriction or election of species only (no action on the merits) ...... MPEP §§ 809.02(a) and 817.

I am sure the Examiner is not authorized to change the shortened statutory period for a particular type of Office Action.

While you are technically correct, you would have to file a Petition Under 37 CFR 1.181 to get this fixed, and there is no guarantee they would agree with you.

So just paying the one-month extension of time fee would be the most cost-effective way to go, considering the time it would take you to prepare the petition.  Plus the petition will almost certainly not be decided until the 6-month statutory period for response has expired, so you would have to file an RCE to avoid the application from going abandoned.

Did your response not include an authorization to pay for any extension of time fee that may be required?

Best regards,

Randall S. Svihla

NSIP Law

Washington, D.C.

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Subject: Re: [Patentpractice] Reply period for lack-of-unity finding in US 371 application

In case anyone wondered what happened here, I have a fun (as in, not at all fun) update.

I prepared a reply so that we could meet the 2-month deadline, but I didn't receive client instructions until after it passed. As a result, I filed the reply after the 2-month deadline but before the 3-month deadline indicated in the Office Action. 

The reply in Patent Center is now labeled as "Untimely (Late)."

I sent e-mail to the AAU asking for the reply recognized as timely because the Office Action set a 3-month period for reply, and the reply was filed before that deadline passed. So far, I have received no response, and nothing has changed.

In an attempt to avoid having to actually call the AAU and sit on hold forever, today I called the examiner to see if she could do what needs to be done. She said, "Oh, yeah, that was a typo by me, it should've been 2 months. That's why the reply is considered late." I said, "OK, but the reply was not late. The Office Action says 3 months." She said, "Yeah, but it should've been 2 months." I said, "Yeah, but it SAYS 3 months." She then suggested I file a petition/fee for a 1-month extension of time. I said, no, the Office Action says 3 months, typo or not, and I filed before 3 months, and therefore the reply was timely and needs to be recognized as timely. As in, the USPTO needs to fix this.

She said she's going to try to figure out who needs to be contacted to address it.

So I am now in exactly the situation I had hoped to avoid, trying to get the USPTO to acknowledge its own error so my client is not penalized for my presumption that the USPTO meant what it said.

Best regards,

Krista

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On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 8:11 PM Krista Jacobsen <krista at jacobseniplaw.com <mailto:krista at jacobseniplaw.com> > wrote:

Hi David,

This is very helpful -- thank you. I was thinking that the coding of the document would automatically set a 2-month deadline, but if the clerks actually do look at the OA itself to set the PTO's timers, then I do not have to worry.

Best regards,

Krista

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On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 6:50 AM David Boundy via Patentpractice <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com <mailto:patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com> > wrote:

The examiner is wrong.   Look at the statute, specifically section 133.  "Such action" controls over usual practice or what the examiner wishes he/she might have done.

This isn't enforced by the examiner.  Once an action goes out, extensions are enforced by the intake clerks.  When the Action goes out, the examiner clicks a box "2 months" vs "3 months" and that ends up on the action cover sheet, and that's what the intake clerks will enforce when you file a reply.

It ain't broke.  Don't fix it.  Classic case of "to ask permission is to seek denial."

On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 7:24 AM Angela Armstrong-Baker via Patentpractice <patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com <mailto:patentpractice at oppedahl-lists.com> > wrote:

Hi Krista.

This happened to us this week as well. I contacted the Examiner and she said that the 3 month reply date was an error and the deadline is in fact 2 months.

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Subject: [Patentpractice] Reply period for lack-of-unity finding in US 371 application

Am I right to be suspicious of a 3-month reply period for a lack-of-unity finding in a U.S. national phase application?

This is my first lack-of-unity finding in the U.S. national phase, and I was pleasantly surprised that the examiner applied the correct standard. The office action purports to set a reply deadline of 3 months, but I am wondering if that is correct, given that ordinary restriction requirements have a 2-month reply period.

I am concerned that the coding of the office action ("Requirement for restriction/election"), and not what the office action actually says, automatically starts a clock in the USPTO's systems, and if I take the 3-month deadline at face value and wait until after the 2-month date passes to file a reply, I could end up in a situation where they want a petition and fee for a 1-month extension of time. Fighting them about that would be more complicated and costly than just replying within 2 months.

Before I call the examiner, I wanted to check with the brain trust to see if perhaps this is a completely normal situation, and I'm worrying for nothing. (For example, is there a rule that all replies in the national phase get at least 3 months? I couldn't find anything, but I did not do an exhaustive search.) Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

Krista

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