[E-trademarks] sanity check

[Janice Housey]

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A corporation can be a national. Not sure why your paralegal assumed otherwise?

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If it is an individual, I check “national.” If the applicant is a business, I check “real and effective commercial establishment.”  We’ve never had an issue.



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I agree with Tim and have always checked "domicile".



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Isn't "domiciled" an available and undisputed option?



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On Sun, Jul 27, 2025, 17:25 Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>> wrote:

Hi all,



We are getting ready to file a Madrid designating a lot of places our from a US registration, so a big filing fee, so we want to get it right.



My paralegal refuses to believe that a US company can be a "national" --she insists that is only for people so she wants to check the "real and effective presence" box, but I disagree b/c that, IMHO, is for foreign companies who have a factory here or whatever.  I cannot find anything confirming that for purposes of filing a Madrid application, a company is a US national so I cannot prove this to my paralegal. Or should we check the US domicile box?



This seems like a dumb question but I'm stumped. I normally avoid Madrid so I'm not too fluent in it.



regards



Janet











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